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Ha! "Graendal actually kills Asmodean". A very bold claim. *NM* Etzel Send a noteboard - 02/02/2010 10:51:40 AM
could be dead. From the way that the book reads at face value, she is dead. However I am not convinced. Why? There's an old saying that you can never be too sure that someone's dead unless you see a body.

This plays true for pretty much every show that I've seen, or book that I've read. Many of the Forsaken that we know are dead, we've seen them die.

Moiraine actually balefires Be'lal.
What was left of Ishmael's corpse after Rand killed him was in the Heart of the Stone.
Nynaeve sees Rand balefire Rhavin.
Graendal actually kills Asmodean in the hallway in the palace in Camelyn.
Moiraine actually pulls the angreal out of Lanfear's hands and tumbles through the Finn doorway.
Cadsuane actually identifies the burned body of "a rebel Asha'man" who we know is Osan'gar/Aginor.
Min actually witnesses Rand balefire Semirhage.

The only exceptions to this are the apparent death of Sammael and Graendal. There is a much better case for Sammael being dead, as Rand was within eyeshot of where his death took place. He looked at him...looked away for a heartbeat...and looked back. There was no physical means of escape for Sammael (unless the guy is Usane Bolt with manuvering skills like Darren Sproles), and Rand specifically didn't feel him channel saidin . So unless Sammael busted out a random weave of the True Source & Gateway-ed out of there in a heartbeat...Sammael is toast.

As for Graendal...the non-presense of the Compulsion weave/residue is just not enough evidence for dead for me. No first had account of actually seeing her go all "black to white" balefire-y...no body...no tangible event to point to. Just Nynaeve's testimony that there is no compulsion weaves there anymore...and that the guy was obviously not "compulsed" since he wasn't a slobbering, shell of a man. Let us remember that Graendal is superior in her ability to use Compulsion. She can do it so that the guy would have no side effects. And lets be honest...Nynaeve's ability to Delve may be awsome, but she can't read residues like Aviendha.

Is Graendal dead? I'm not sure...but since its near the end of the series, I'm gonna say yes. Would I be suprised if she just appeared in the next book? Not in the least.

~Jeordam
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So your name is Graendal.... - 01/02/2010 09:18:00 PM 2027 Views
one of the reasons I'm at a loss with her death ... along with the lead-up being clumsy *NM* - 01/02/2010 09:36:29 PM 887 Views
She very well... - 01/02/2010 11:13:50 PM 1378 Views
Exactly how I feel ... to the letter! *NM* - 01/02/2010 11:17:57 PM 746 Views
Re: She very well... - 02/02/2010 08:42:17 AM 1403 Views
Ha! "Graendal actually kills Asmodean". A very bold claim. *NM* - 02/02/2010 10:51:40 AM 783 Views
Bold like saying that water is wet.... - 02/02/2010 05:46:54 PM 934 Views
I am now split with a 80% belief it's Graendal and 20% that it's Moghedien *NM* - 02/02/2010 06:11:47 PM 570 Views
Moghedien.... - 02/02/2010 06:15:41 PM 1085 Views
The a'dam doesn't limit your ability to enter T'A'R - 02/02/2010 06:36:26 PM 1075 Views
Yeah..... - 02/02/2010 06:46:50 PM 1244 Views
Re: Yeah..... - 02/02/2010 07:42:59 PM 985 Views
This brings up a very intersting question... - 02/02/2010 09:30:49 PM 1272 Views
Re: This brings up a very intersting question... - 02/02/2010 09:57:24 PM 982 Views
Moghedien? Really? - 02/02/2010 07:56:33 PM 1080 Views
when was Semirhage in an a'dam? *NM* - 02/02/2010 08:48:27 PM 580 Views
Re: Moghedien? Really? - 02/02/2010 09:03:54 PM 1122 Views
Egwene was faintly forkrooted, not heavily. - 02/02/2010 10:24:55 PM 1002 Views
It was heavy enough to nullify her ability almost completely by TGS - 02/02/2010 10:38:04 PM 973 Views
That's still extremely faint. - 02/02/2010 11:07:10 PM 989 Views
Re: That's still extremely faint. - 03/02/2010 03:34:06 PM 1015 Views
Re: Moghedien? Really? - 03/02/2010 01:02:13 AM 975 Views
Re: Moghedien? Really? - 03/02/2010 03:31:21 PM 1217 Views
The chance that Moggy killed Asmo is actually 0 % - 02/02/2010 09:32:03 PM 1084 Views
*nods* - 02/02/2010 09:36:04 PM 900 Views
Well, I completely disagree, but that's another discussion. *NM* - 02/02/2010 07:07:05 PM 547 Views
Yes, I agree. *NM* - 02/02/2010 03:26:13 PM 706 Views
As bad as Sammael's death. *NM* - 03/02/2010 02:00:02 AM 562 Views
The lead up was clumsy because her death scene was rather forced. - 09/02/2010 11:11:21 PM 1175 Views
Yes, pretty much. - 01/02/2010 11:21:31 PM 1075 Views
Couple of flaws in that reasoning - 02/02/2010 07:56:35 AM 1357 Views
Graendal already has a massive inverted ward around the palace. - 02/02/2010 03:23:44 PM 1144 Views
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IMO - 02/02/2010 05:58:10 PM 1055 Views
This could go either way.... - 02/02/2010 06:14:21 PM 1187 Views
RE: Strength and Compulsion - 02/02/2010 06:31:13 PM 1186 Views
I never figured that Verin was weak....or even middling. - 02/02/2010 06:57:11 PM 1070 Views
Re: I never figured that Verin was weak....or even middling. - 02/02/2010 07:51:15 PM 1093 Views
Verin was using her angreal when she compelled. *NM* - 02/02/2010 08:00:50 PM 589 Views
Danke for clarification. - 02/02/2010 08:15:39 PM 917 Views
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Its still a game... - 02/02/2010 05:09:42 PM 1127 Views
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*ha* - 02/02/2010 05:10:41 PM 1082 Views
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So what would you say... - 02/02/2010 05:12:09 PM 1018 Views
Wow. - 02/02/2010 06:00:11 PM 1059 Views
Never underestimate.... - 02/02/2010 06:08:42 PM 980 Views
"Oh, no... Rand is totally going to balefire me!" *NM* - 03/02/2010 08:50:26 PM 528 Views
A conclusion with an explanation built around it. - 02/02/2010 10:22:29 PM 1103 Views
Hah! - 02/02/2010 10:38:38 PM 951 Views
I miss Diomedes . *NM* - 02/02/2010 11:07:45 PM 527 Views
So...like the theory of Macro Evolution? People seem to believe that..... - 02/02/2010 11:22:41 PM 1156 Views
... - 03/02/2010 01:23:06 AM 1018 Views
Ok...I'm just saying... - 03/02/2010 04:00:46 PM 1193 Views
That's ridiculous - 02/02/2010 11:39:41 PM 1033 Views
Hold on now.... - 02/02/2010 11:51:32 PM 1221 Views
Re: Hold on now.... - 03/02/2010 02:52:07 AM 1021 Views
Re: Hold on now.... - 03/02/2010 08:59:44 PM 1060 Views
Re: Hold on now.... - 04/02/2010 04:44:31 AM 990 Views
Your theory breaks down because of something Brandon said. - 03/02/2010 03:49:58 AM 949 Views
Kind of - 03/02/2010 04:10:04 AM 1099 Views
I disagree. - 03/02/2010 05:31:39 AM 922 Views
But how many previously unseen weaves have had such huge implications? - 03/02/2010 01:29:15 PM 1224 Views
Two things come to mind... - 03/02/2010 03:50:38 PM 1120 Views
I don't really think this is relevant - 03/02/2010 05:03:51 PM 1053 Views
There's a difference.... - 03/02/2010 06:01:30 PM 1100 Views
I know there is. You're the one who brought up the weaves being picked apart - 03/02/2010 06:37:40 PM 1063 Views
*grins* - 03/02/2010 06:42:54 PM 1101 Views
But again... - 03/02/2010 06:59:18 PM 989 Views
sure we do - 03/02/2010 07:03:40 PM 967 Views
Each of them was at the very least confused/disoriented afterwards. - 03/02/2010 07:14:24 PM 948 Views
But here's the thing... - 03/02/2010 07:36:42 PM 1066 Views
I think we disagree with what "subtle" means here. - 03/02/2010 07:46:20 PM 956 Views
Kerb was more subtle than most, but we've seen subtler. - 04/02/2010 05:16:33 PM 1191 Views
Re: Each of them was at the very least confused/disoriented afterwards. - 03/02/2010 07:37:58 PM 966 Views
... - 03/02/2010 07:42:07 PM 990 Views
Re: ... - 03/02/2010 07:59:26 PM 989 Views
But - 03/02/2010 08:04:27 PM 1120 Views
I think it would be obvious if Ituralde was acting different - 03/02/2010 08:18:50 PM 1287 Views
Hrm - 03/02/2010 08:36:12 PM 1184 Views
It happens in WH when they go to tell her that Moridin is N'B - 03/02/2010 08:43:11 PM 1032 Views
Thanks *NM* - 03/02/2010 08:47:29 PM 541 Views
Now try and not lynch me... - 03/02/2010 04:08:11 PM 1061 Views
But that's not how it happened - 03/02/2010 08:18:59 PM 1008 Views

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