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Ha! "Graendal actually kills Asmodean". A very bold claim. *NM* Etzel Send a noteboard - 02/02/2010 10:51:40 AM
could be dead. From the way that the book reads at face value, she is dead. However I am not convinced. Why? There's an old saying that you can never be too sure that someone's dead unless you see a body.

This plays true for pretty much every show that I've seen, or book that I've read. Many of the Forsaken that we know are dead, we've seen them die.

Moiraine actually balefires Be'lal.
What was left of Ishmael's corpse after Rand killed him was in the Heart of the Stone.
Nynaeve sees Rand balefire Rhavin.
Graendal actually kills Asmodean in the hallway in the palace in Camelyn.
Moiraine actually pulls the angreal out of Lanfear's hands and tumbles through the Finn doorway.
Cadsuane actually identifies the burned body of "a rebel Asha'man" who we know is Osan'gar/Aginor.
Min actually witnesses Rand balefire Semirhage.

The only exceptions to this are the apparent death of Sammael and Graendal. There is a much better case for Sammael being dead, as Rand was within eyeshot of where his death took place. He looked at him...looked away for a heartbeat...and looked back. There was no physical means of escape for Sammael (unless the guy is Usane Bolt with manuvering skills like Darren Sproles), and Rand specifically didn't feel him channel saidin . So unless Sammael busted out a random weave of the True Source & Gateway-ed out of there in a heartbeat...Sammael is toast.

As for Graendal...the non-presense of the Compulsion weave/residue is just not enough evidence for dead for me. No first had account of actually seeing her go all "black to white" balefire-y...no body...no tangible event to point to. Just Nynaeve's testimony that there is no compulsion weaves there anymore...and that the guy was obviously not "compulsed" since he wasn't a slobbering, shell of a man. Let us remember that Graendal is superior in her ability to use Compulsion. She can do it so that the guy would have no side effects. And lets be honest...Nynaeve's ability to Delve may be awsome, but she can't read residues like Aviendha.

Is Graendal dead? I'm not sure...but since its near the end of the series, I'm gonna say yes. Would I be suprised if she just appeared in the next book? Not in the least.

~Jeordam
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So your name is Graendal.... - 01/02/2010 09:18:00 PM 1732 Views
one of the reasons I'm at a loss with her death ... along with the lead-up being clumsy *NM* - 01/02/2010 09:36:29 PM 740 Views
She very well... - 01/02/2010 11:13:50 PM 1043 Views
Exactly how I feel ... to the letter! *NM* - 01/02/2010 11:17:57 PM 601 Views
Re: She very well... - 02/02/2010 08:42:17 AM 1052 Views
Ha! "Graendal actually kills Asmodean". A very bold claim. *NM* - 02/02/2010 10:51:40 AM 640 Views
Bold like saying that water is wet.... - 02/02/2010 05:46:54 PM 687 Views
I am now split with a 80% belief it's Graendal and 20% that it's Moghedien *NM* - 02/02/2010 06:11:47 PM 421 Views
Moghedien.... - 02/02/2010 06:15:41 PM 778 Views
The a'dam doesn't limit your ability to enter T'A'R - 02/02/2010 06:36:26 PM 775 Views
Yeah..... - 02/02/2010 06:46:50 PM 938 Views
Re: Yeah..... - 02/02/2010 07:42:59 PM 726 Views
This brings up a very intersting question... - 02/02/2010 09:30:49 PM 949 Views
Re: This brings up a very intersting question... - 02/02/2010 09:57:24 PM 708 Views
Moghedien? Really? - 02/02/2010 07:56:33 PM 817 Views
when was Semirhage in an a'dam? *NM* - 02/02/2010 08:48:27 PM 427 Views
Re: Moghedien? Really? - 02/02/2010 09:03:54 PM 756 Views
Egwene was faintly forkrooted, not heavily. - 02/02/2010 10:24:55 PM 732 Views
It was heavy enough to nullify her ability almost completely by TGS - 02/02/2010 10:38:04 PM 653 Views
That's still extremely faint. - 02/02/2010 11:07:10 PM 736 Views
Re: That's still extremely faint. - 03/02/2010 03:34:06 PM 782 Views
Re: Moghedien? Really? - 03/02/2010 01:02:13 AM 726 Views
Re: Moghedien? Really? - 03/02/2010 03:31:21 PM 908 Views
The chance that Moggy killed Asmo is actually 0 % - 02/02/2010 09:32:03 PM 806 Views
*nods* - 02/02/2010 09:36:04 PM 644 Views
Well, I completely disagree, but that's another discussion. *NM* - 02/02/2010 07:07:05 PM 401 Views
Yes, I agree. *NM* - 02/02/2010 03:26:13 PM 551 Views
As bad as Sammael's death. *NM* - 03/02/2010 02:00:02 AM 427 Views
Yes, pretty much. - 01/02/2010 11:21:31 PM 807 Views
Couple of flaws in that reasoning - 02/02/2010 07:56:35 AM 1070 Views
Graendal already has a massive inverted ward around the palace. - 02/02/2010 03:23:44 PM 849 Views
Come on now.... - 02/02/2010 04:58:34 PM 964 Views
IMO - 02/02/2010 05:58:10 PM 784 Views
This could go either way.... - 02/02/2010 06:14:21 PM 928 Views
RE: Strength and Compulsion - 02/02/2010 06:31:13 PM 936 Views
I never figured that Verin was weak....or even middling. - 02/02/2010 06:57:11 PM 807 Views
Re: I never figured that Verin was weak....or even middling. - 02/02/2010 07:51:15 PM 810 Views
Verin was using her angreal when she compelled. *NM* - 02/02/2010 08:00:50 PM 455 Views
Danke for clarification. - 02/02/2010 08:15:39 PM 660 Views
The thing is... - 02/02/2010 09:39:18 AM 804 Views
Its still a game... - 02/02/2010 05:09:42 PM 819 Views
I could buy... - 02/02/2010 07:16:43 PM 769 Views
Please, - 02/02/2010 10:42:00 AM 772 Views
*ha* - 02/02/2010 05:10:41 PM 740 Views
My name is Graendal? My parents will be so confused. - 02/02/2010 02:19:26 PM 750 Views
So what would you say... - 02/02/2010 05:12:09 PM 729 Views
Wow. - 02/02/2010 06:00:11 PM 795 Views
Never underestimate.... - 02/02/2010 06:08:42 PM 704 Views
"Oh, no... Rand is totally going to balefire me!" *NM* - 03/02/2010 08:50:26 PM 396 Views
A conclusion with an explanation built around it. - 02/02/2010 10:22:29 PM 834 Views
Hah! - 02/02/2010 10:38:38 PM 662 Views
I miss Diomedes . *NM* - 02/02/2010 11:07:45 PM 367 Views
So...like the theory of Macro Evolution? People seem to believe that..... - 02/02/2010 11:22:41 PM 833 Views
... - 03/02/2010 01:23:06 AM 726 Views
Ok...I'm just saying... - 03/02/2010 04:00:46 PM 896 Views
That's ridiculous - 02/02/2010 11:39:41 PM 774 Views
Hold on now.... - 02/02/2010 11:51:32 PM 938 Views
Re: Hold on now.... - 03/02/2010 02:52:07 AM 768 Views
Re: Hold on now.... - 03/02/2010 08:59:44 PM 772 Views
Re: Hold on now.... - 04/02/2010 04:44:31 AM 703 Views
Your theory breaks down because of something Brandon said. - 03/02/2010 03:49:58 AM 705 Views
Kind of - 03/02/2010 04:10:04 AM 790 Views
I disagree. - 03/02/2010 05:31:39 AM 661 Views
But how many previously unseen weaves have had such huge implications? - 03/02/2010 01:29:15 PM 934 Views
Two things come to mind... - 03/02/2010 03:50:38 PM 852 Views
I don't really think this is relevant - 03/02/2010 05:03:51 PM 770 Views
There's a difference.... - 03/02/2010 06:01:30 PM 803 Views
I know there is. You're the one who brought up the weaves being picked apart - 03/02/2010 06:37:40 PM 799 Views
*grins* - 03/02/2010 06:42:54 PM 817 Views
But again... - 03/02/2010 06:59:18 PM 734 Views
sure we do - 03/02/2010 07:03:40 PM 684 Views
Each of them was at the very least confused/disoriented afterwards. - 03/02/2010 07:14:24 PM 668 Views
But here's the thing... - 03/02/2010 07:36:42 PM 776 Views
I think we disagree with what "subtle" means here. - 03/02/2010 07:46:20 PM 703 Views
Kerb was more subtle than most, but we've seen subtler. - 04/02/2010 05:16:33 PM 918 Views
Re: Each of them was at the very least confused/disoriented afterwards. - 03/02/2010 07:37:58 PM 654 Views
... - 03/02/2010 07:42:07 PM 734 Views
Re: ... - 03/02/2010 07:59:26 PM 710 Views
But - 03/02/2010 08:04:27 PM 810 Views
I think it would be obvious if Ituralde was acting different - 03/02/2010 08:18:50 PM 977 Views
Hrm - 03/02/2010 08:36:12 PM 883 Views
It happens in WH when they go to tell her that Moridin is N'B - 03/02/2010 08:43:11 PM 751 Views
Thanks *NM* - 03/02/2010 08:47:29 PM 402 Views
Now try and not lynch me... - 03/02/2010 04:08:11 PM 776 Views
But that's not how it happened - 03/02/2010 08:18:59 PM 766 Views

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