Re: Sheesh, you people are babies. I read it. Some good points.
Cannoli Send a noteboard - 18/03/2010 03:37:09 PM
Essentially, he's saying that the main characters have never had to make any real difficult or morally ambiguous choices.
Rand has never had to overthrow an otherwise good man for not joining him (the nobles are generally pictured as worthless), Egwene didn't have to actually war against the tower, or deal with Elaida, and so on. Everyone (for the most part) manages to come out of their trials squeaky-clean.
Hmm.
The "unpleasantness" after the Aiel War might qualify for this. We still don't know everything that happened, there. Black Ajah, secret killings, and more. There might have been a group of Aes Sedai that were pretty brutal in trying to figure out what the BA was up to.
Perrin allowing the Seancean to collar the Shaido Wise Ones could be a big one, although it's mostly been glossed over.
Rand's balefiring of Graendal's keep? Could be, but it IS one of the Forsaken...
Mat leaving enemy soldiers to die, instead of offering aid? Eh.
Yeah, I see what you mean. None of these are really in the category of what you were saying.
Rand has never had to overthrow an otherwise good man for not joining him (the nobles are generally pictured as worthless), Egwene didn't have to actually war against the tower, or deal with Elaida, and so on. Everyone (for the most part) manages to come out of their trials squeaky-clean.
Hmm.
The "unpleasantness" after the Aiel War might qualify for this. We still don't know everything that happened, there. Black Ajah, secret killings, and more. There might have been a group of Aes Sedai that were pretty brutal in trying to figure out what the BA was up to.
Perrin allowing the Seancean to collar the Shaido Wise Ones could be a big one, although it's mostly been glossed over.
Rand's balefiring of Graendal's keep? Could be, but it IS one of the Forsaken...
Mat leaving enemy soldiers to die, instead of offering aid? Eh.
Yeah, I see what you mean. None of these are really in the category of what you were saying.
Thank you.
Cannoli
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"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Deus Vult!
Did the characters come too easily to power?
- 16/03/2010 11:37:31 PM
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Yes, and for Rand at least IMO, playing nice has cost dearly
- 17/03/2010 04:59:32 AM
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Not necessarily
- 18/03/2010 03:17:10 PM
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Good post.
- 27/03/2010 01:43:24 PM
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Unfortunately, no.
- 31/03/2010 10:23:58 AM
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Re: Unfortunately, no.
- 02/04/2010 07:54:10 AM
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All the way through, up to ripping her self-delusional assessments of her "achievements" in KoD
- 02/04/2010 09:27:54 PM
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TLDR *NM*
- 17/03/2010 05:43:01 AM
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Cmon ppl pls reply to this, Cannoli has spent such a long time writing it.... I couldn't be bothered *NM*
- 17/03/2010 10:31:38 AM
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Rand is at the perfect position after TGS for his downfall...
- 17/03/2010 02:49:55 PM
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Re: Rand is at the perfect position after TGS for his downfall...
- 17/03/2010 06:15:18 PM
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I usually read Cannoli's epic-length posts...
- 17/03/2010 04:08:33 PM
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Ha! Imagine if I didn't double-space the paragraphs. That is a fairly new practice on my part. 
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- 18/03/2010 03:36:13 PM
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- 18/03/2010 03:36:13 PM
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I'd suggest you had more paragraphs......with a lot of spacing.....
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- 19/03/2010 04:42:05 AM
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- 19/03/2010 04:42:05 AM
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Sheesh, you people are babies. I read it. Some good points.
- 17/03/2010 05:35:08 PM
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Re: Sheesh, you people are babies. I read it. Some good points.
- 17/03/2010 10:08:34 PM
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Oh and I forgot to add
- 18/03/2010 01:41:28 AM
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I would say those cases are both examples of aknowledging their own limitations and priorities
- 18/03/2010 04:02:13 PM
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Re: Sheesh, you people are babies. I read it. Some good points.
- 18/03/2010 03:37:09 PM
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Re: Did the characters come too easily to power?
- 17/03/2010 06:10:22 PM
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I was more focussed on the cost of GETTING power, not the prices of discharging it responsibly
- 18/03/2010 04:27:18 PM
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While most of this is true...
- 19/03/2010 06:47:19 AM
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Siuan's failure to properly help Rand should motivate Egwene to overthrow...oh, right. Egwene. 
- 19/03/2010 11:52:10 PM
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- 06/04/2010 06:00:07 AM
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