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Re: I found it made this stark contrast with his descriptions of his own, more human environment. Danae al'Thor Send a noteboard - 24/04/2010 09:56:40 AM
That first sequence, where he falls down to the Station? It's simultaneously the most human and alien thing - he's so wrapped up in the cage of his technological symbiosis. He personifies his suit, and gathers emotional data from the organisation or lack thereof of the things around him.

I'm trying, very badly, to say that Kelvin himself is constructed to be the kind of guy whose primary mode of accessing the world is visual. So he notes the clouds and mimoids, he notes the space around him - what he doesn't pay attention to is his own body - I don't think I've seen a character spend so much time in mundane pain who doesn't just give in and take a nap.

Ergo. Clouds. Unavoidable.
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Sci-Fi Book Club: SOLARIS by Stanislaw Lem - 19/04/2010 05:50:45 PM 2031 Views
Roll-Call: Have you read it? Are you reading it? Like it: Yes/NO? *NM* - 19/04/2010 05:52:00 PM 715 Views
I read it back in January. - 19/04/2010 06:23:29 PM 1308 Views
I read it years ago, and liked it. *NM* - 19/04/2010 06:41:36 PM 674 Views
I just finished it. - 19/04/2010 06:54:49 PM 1288 Views
Well, to be fair, - 20/04/2010 08:12:17 PM 1232 Views
Heh. - 21/04/2010 08:31:51 AM 1443 Views
Re: Well, to be fair, - 12/05/2010 09:06:06 PM 1169 Views
That was how I felt too. - 20/04/2010 11:39:15 PM 1027 Views
I read it 3 years ago, and liked it. - 19/04/2010 06:58:37 PM 1587 Views
I read it, and liked it. - 19/04/2010 07:33:16 PM 1296 Views
I plan to - 19/04/2010 07:41:21 PM 1415 Views
I might re-read it in a few days - 19/04/2010 09:11:35 PM 1218 Views
I'm currently reading it - 20/04/2010 10:00:05 AM 1468 Views
That has always bothered me too. - 20/04/2010 08:20:56 PM 1116 Views
Indeed - 11/05/2010 03:02:26 PM 1147 Views
It was a while since I've read it - 22/04/2010 05:33:44 AM 1136 Views
I have started reading it - 11/05/2010 11:10:53 AM 1070 Views
Translation: - 19/04/2010 05:54:57 PM 1358 Views
I read it in Russian, which was very close to the original. - 19/04/2010 06:25:00 PM 1337 Views
I'm not sure now, I think I read it in Dutch. - 19/04/2010 06:43:30 PM 1260 Views
English translation by Joanna Kilmartin and Steve Cox (1970). - 19/04/2010 06:56:54 PM 1226 Views
Translation of a translation, actually. *NM* - 19/04/2010 07:22:18 PM 647 Views
Yes, I did read Jake's intro piece there. *NM* - 19/04/2010 07:23:44 PM 651 Views
I figured you were not accurate enough. - 19/04/2010 07:26:54 PM 1213 Views
Pffft. Accuracy is for nerds. - 19/04/2010 07:31:52 PM 1310 Views
That was the one I read. - 20/04/2010 01:43:01 AM 1470 Views
I read it in Czech - 19/04/2010 07:40:05 PM 1477 Views
I also read a Swedish translation. - 19/04/2010 07:41:31 PM 1669 Views
1970 translation from French to English by Joanna Kilmartin and Steve Cox - 20/04/2010 02:20:42 AM 1344 Views
I have a different opinion on this. - 20/04/2010 08:17:06 PM 1247 Views
I've read it in Polish - 22/04/2010 05:32:33 AM 1064 Views
Re: So it's flat and boring? - 23/04/2010 09:50:38 PM 1204 Views
Re: Does anyone know why the Polish publishers haven't commissioned another translation? - 24/04/2010 10:04:38 AM 1190 Views
Rights issues, I beieve - 24/04/2010 10:48:53 AM 1228 Views
So 'we' have read the novel in 6 different languages. - 27/04/2010 09:20:02 PM 1087 Views
I read the English from French translation - 12/05/2010 09:10:42 PM 1055 Views
This was my general experience as well. - 17/05/2010 06:53:58 PM 1100 Views
I probably got more out of it than I first thought. - 20/04/2010 11:37:52 PM 1053 Views
Re: I do that too! - 23/04/2010 09:51:39 PM 1058 Views
It is certainly a book that makes you think... - 26/04/2010 09:46:31 PM 1085 Views
Literature vs. Genre Fiction - 21/04/2010 02:33:21 PM 1253 Views
Re: Literature vs. Genre Fiction - 21/04/2010 08:44:24 PM 1240 Views
Re: Literature vs. Genre Fiction - 12/05/2010 09:19:31 PM 1098 Views
Re: - 21/04/2010 09:09:02 PM 1177 Views
How do you know Solaris was an advanced intelligence? - 22/04/2010 01:20:35 AM 1127 Views
Fair enough. - 22/04/2010 09:04:58 PM 1179 Views
But I think that is Lem's point. - 23/04/2010 03:20:18 AM 1177 Views
Good point Tom. - 23/04/2010 03:14:23 AM 1072 Views
It's definitely literature - 22/04/2010 01:19:34 AM 1035 Views
You might be winning me over to your thoughts here. - 26/04/2010 09:42:33 PM 1020 Views
As long as you realize... - 26/04/2010 10:26:00 PM 1052 Views
This is why I sort of float around on this issue. - 27/04/2010 05:49:39 PM 1124 Views
Re: This is why I sort of float around on this issue. - 13/05/2010 10:15:38 AM 1128 Views
Very well put. - 17/05/2010 06:51:27 PM 1005 Views
Re: Very well put. - 17/05/2010 06:53:13 PM 1134 Views
This book is definitely literature. - 23/04/2010 02:59:48 AM 1179 Views
Re: This discussion gives me hives. *NM* - 23/04/2010 09:52:09 PM 607 Views
Understandable. - 26/04/2010 07:31:08 PM 1047 Views
Hmmm - 12/05/2010 09:18:42 PM 1128 Views
What didn't you enjoy? - 21/04/2010 09:47:06 PM 1047 Views
I didn't like the excessive description of the types of clouds on Solaris. - 22/04/2010 01:17:22 AM 1004 Views
This was what I disliked too - 22/04/2010 05:46:05 AM 1216 Views
Re: I didn't like the excessive description of the types of clouds on Solaris. - 23/04/2010 03:33:14 AM 1084 Views
Re: I found it made this stark contrast with his descriptions of his own, more human environment. - 24/04/2010 09:56:40 AM 1293 Views
That is an interesting take. - 27/04/2010 05:53:23 PM 1140 Views
I didn't really find anything difficult about it. - 23/04/2010 03:38:48 AM 1147 Views
The only thing that bothered me... - 03/05/2010 07:06:42 PM 1258 Views
So, is there really anything to discuss about the story itself? - 22/04/2010 08:55:03 AM 1215 Views
Apparently not. - 22/04/2010 01:38:24 PM 1253 Views
True - 22/04/2010 09:29:53 PM 1077 Views
Point of fact, - 23/04/2010 02:53:47 PM 1128 Views
Perhaps it's time for a self-reevaluation then - 24/04/2010 10:45:44 AM 1456 Views
Thank you for telling me how I should prioritize my life, Larry. - 26/04/2010 04:54:01 PM 1273 Views
At least I am not as quick to repeat the same excuses - 26/04/2010 05:13:08 PM 1431 Views
I was originally gonna reply to your previous post, then decided not to. Guess I will now. - 26/04/2010 05:42:15 PM 1282 Views
Thank you. - 26/04/2010 07:41:17 PM 1236 Views
One point... - 26/04/2010 07:34:02 PM 1107 Views
Posting while irritated and about to crash does little good, it seems - 27/04/2010 06:20:19 PM 1200 Views
The delay to the review is my fault. I've got a mostly finished one. I'm just not happy with it. - 27/04/2010 07:19:35 PM 1155 Views
It wasn't the review I was irritated about, but thanks for doing it - 27/04/2010 07:39:08 PM 1063 Views
Ah. OK. - 27/04/2010 07:47:09 PM 1216 Views
Thanks - 27/04/2010 07:58:54 PM 1102 Views
I'm a bit ambivalent on the merits of this approach of yours. - 26/04/2010 05:32:19 PM 1054 Views
You highlight my only frustration with the thread. - 26/04/2010 05:48:01 PM 1418 Views
Re: So what do you think about any of those things? - 23/04/2010 08:30:55 PM 1078 Views
A question about Lem. - 23/04/2010 03:49:57 AM 1100 Views
I've only read one other book by him, The Cyberiad - 23/04/2010 04:03:19 AM 1208 Views
Re: A question about Lem. - 23/04/2010 07:26:18 PM 1213 Views
Thanks. - 24/04/2010 06:42:05 AM 1216 Views
Yes - 24/04/2010 02:43:17 PM 1173 Views
My main thoughts on Solaris by Stanislaw Lem - 23/04/2010 02:50:10 AM 1431 Views
Re: About that "worst" thoughts issue. - 23/04/2010 09:49:04 PM 1332 Views
Re: About that "worst" thoughts issue. - 12/05/2010 09:35:48 PM 1253 Views
I came away with the same message you did on the first point. - 25/04/2010 04:46:09 PM 1074 Views
Re: My main thoughts on Solaris by Stanislaw Lem - 12/05/2010 09:31:32 PM 1199 Views
Re: So I have no team spirit and should be lynched. - 23/04/2010 09:41:48 PM 1083 Views
I finally watched Avatar for the first time tonight. - 25/04/2010 04:27:34 AM 1086 Views
Solaris was, I hope, better than Avatar. - 25/04/2010 04:54:12 AM 1045 Views
Misplaced answer . *NM* - 25/04/2010 04:40:27 PM 519 Views
On identity and communication: do we love only ourselves? - 25/04/2010 03:35:34 PM 1119 Views
The argument: (From the text and some thoughts) - 27/04/2010 06:22:34 PM 1052 Views
Yes - 12/05/2010 10:10:30 PM 1203 Views
That is a great idea... - 17/05/2010 06:58:48 PM 1143 Views
Re: That is a great idea... - 17/05/2010 07:02:44 PM 1163 Views
That settles it. I am going to have to reread it. - 13/05/2010 12:23:14 AM 1079 Views
It is interesting you should say that. - 12/05/2010 09:56:26 PM 1330 Views
That is the second time this week that I have heard something about Derrida. Now I am going to have - 13/05/2010 12:02:56 AM 1192 Views
Derrida is great. - 13/05/2010 10:06:49 AM 1251 Views
Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? - 25/04/2010 03:40:57 PM 1089 Views
I can't decide. - 25/04/2010 03:54:39 PM 1237 Views
An interesting point to consider... - 25/04/2010 10:41:17 PM 1233 Views
Re: I can't decide. - 12/05/2010 10:05:21 PM 1028 Views
Re: Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? - 25/04/2010 10:31:58 PM 1214 Views
Ooohhhh. I like that theory. - 25/04/2010 11:32:15 PM 1195 Views
Does it make a difference? - 26/04/2010 07:29:44 PM 1054 Views
Re: Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? - 12/05/2010 09:57:05 PM 1202 Views
What do you think the biggest message of the book is? - 25/04/2010 03:47:03 PM 1137 Views
Re: Does he let go of her? How independant is she of him? - 25/04/2010 04:07:33 PM 1231 Views
That's an interesting observation. - 26/04/2010 10:23:28 PM 1081 Views
Re: I was telling Tashmere... - 11/05/2010 11:05:09 AM 1211 Views
Re: What do you think the biggest message of the book is? - 25/04/2010 10:16:16 PM 1127 Views
Communication with the entirely other - 12/05/2010 10:01:37 PM 1153 Views
Did anyone else do any wondering what their own visitors would take the form of if they were there? - 26/04/2010 11:31:27 PM 1068 Views
Actually, no. It was obvious to me. *NM* - 26/04/2010 11:41:22 PM 509 Views
In a way yes. - 27/04/2010 06:33:43 PM 1162 Views
My father, perhaps. - 27/04/2010 08:55:18 PM 1056 Views
Ha. - 27/04/2010 09:16:56 PM 1087 Views

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