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As long as you realize... Legolas Send a noteboard - 26/04/2010 10:26:00 PM
that there's a fair amount of people out there - writers and readers both - who take pride in science fiction being a thinking genre, a genre that uses advanced technology or alien creatures to reflect on humanity, its technology, the connection between them and the future of both. And Solaris is one of the flagships of that science fiction. I have no objections to categorizing Solaris as literature as well, but then that would be because I don't believe literature is a genre. It's merely a quality label.
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Sci-Fi Book Club: SOLARIS by Stanislaw Lem Jacob - 19/04/2010 05:50:45 PM 2075 Views
Roll-Call: Have you read it? Are you reading it? Like it: Yes/NO? *NM* Jacob - 19/04/2010 05:52:00 PM 744 Views
I read it back in January. Tom - 19/04/2010 06:23:29 PM 1350 Views
I read it years ago, and liked it. *NM* Legolas - 19/04/2010 06:41:36 PM 697 Views
I just finished it. Rebekah - 19/04/2010 06:54:49 PM 1334 Views
Well, to be fair, Jacob - 20/04/2010 08:12:17 PM 1276 Views
Heh. Rebekah - 21/04/2010 08:31:51 AM 1484 Views
Re: Well, to be fair, Camilla - 12/05/2010 09:06:06 PM 1210 Views
That was how I felt too. Tashmere - 20/04/2010 11:39:15 PM 1073 Views
I read it 3 years ago, and liked it. Linda - 19/04/2010 06:58:37 PM 1631 Views
Yes, I read it. Must be something like... eh. it was before the clooney horror movie came out? *NM* jh - 19/04/2010 07:23:15 PM 746 Views
I read it, and liked it. wahooka - 19/04/2010 07:33:16 PM 1346 Views
I plan to Camilla - 19/04/2010 07:41:21 PM 1468 Views
I might re-read it in a few days Larry - 19/04/2010 09:11:35 PM 1263 Views
I'm currently reading it Mark - 20/04/2010 10:00:05 AM 1513 Views
That has always bothered me too. Jacob - 20/04/2010 08:20:56 PM 1164 Views
I am with you on that. It may not be rational or my reasons have to do with vanity Tashmere - 20/04/2010 11:18:53 PM 1104 Views
Re: When you look through Lem's page on Solaris covers, that one is the least interesting. Danae al'Thor - 24/04/2010 10:01:50 AM 1210 Views
Indeed Camilla - 11/05/2010 03:02:26 PM 1196 Views
It was a while since I've read it Ellestra - 22/04/2010 05:33:44 AM 1182 Views
I have started reading it Camilla - 11/05/2010 11:10:53 AM 1128 Views
Translation: Jacob - 19/04/2010 05:54:57 PM 1400 Views
I read it in Russian, which was very close to the original. Tom - 19/04/2010 06:25:00 PM 1392 Views
I'm not sure now, I think I read it in Dutch. Legolas - 19/04/2010 06:43:30 PM 1302 Views
English translation by Joanna Kilmartin and Steve Cox (1970). Rebekah - 19/04/2010 06:56:54 PM 1276 Views
Translation of a translation, actually. *NM* jh - 19/04/2010 07:22:18 PM 670 Views
Yes, I did read Jake's intro piece there. *NM* Rebekah - 19/04/2010 07:23:44 PM 681 Views
I figured you were not accurate enough. jh - 19/04/2010 07:26:54 PM 1266 Views
Pffft. Accuracy is for nerds. Rebekah - 19/04/2010 07:31:52 PM 1352 Views
That was the one I read. Tashmere - 20/04/2010 01:43:01 AM 1510 Views
Read a swedish translation back then. jh - 19/04/2010 07:28:14 PM 1177 Views
Yes, the version I read was translated from polish. All the names were intact from the original *NM* Dragonsworn - 20/04/2010 12:17:42 AM 747 Views
I read it in Czech wahooka - 19/04/2010 07:40:05 PM 1523 Views
I also read a Swedish translation. Linda - 19/04/2010 07:41:31 PM 1728 Views
1970 translation from French to English by Joanna Kilmartin and Steve Cox everynametaken - 20/04/2010 02:20:42 AM 1391 Views
I have a different opinion on this. Jacob - 20/04/2010 08:17:06 PM 1288 Views
I've read it in Polish Ellestra - 22/04/2010 05:32:33 AM 1103 Views
Re: So it's flat and boring? Danae al'Thor - 23/04/2010 09:50:38 PM 1251 Views
Re: Does anyone know why the Polish publishers haven't commissioned another translation? Danae al'Thor - 24/04/2010 10:04:38 AM 1240 Views
Rights issues, I beieve Larry - 24/04/2010 10:48:53 AM 1283 Views
So 'we' have read the novel in 6 different languages. Jacob - 27/04/2010 09:20:02 PM 1133 Views
I read the English from French translation Camilla - 12/05/2010 09:10:42 PM 1100 Views
This was my general experience as well. Jacob - 17/05/2010 06:53:58 PM 1149 Views
So. Uh. The chick's name was Rheya in the book I read. Not in other translations? Rebekah - 19/04/2010 07:42:16 PM 1288 Views
Her name in the original is Harey, it got changed to Rheya somewhere along the way of the wahooka - 19/04/2010 07:49:33 PM 1273 Views
In Russian it was just Hari, or, more precisely, Хари. *NM* Tom - 19/04/2010 10:28:49 PM 662 Views
I haven't looked into the reasons yet, outside of what would seem obvious, Jacob - 19/04/2010 09:26:11 PM 1282 Views
Re: I think the translators just thought Harey wasn't immediately accessible as a feminine name. Danae al'Thor - 24/04/2010 09:59:17 AM 1376 Views
That is what I assumed as well. Jacob - 26/04/2010 09:40:45 PM 1174 Views
I probably got more out of it than I first thought. Tashmere - 20/04/2010 11:37:52 PM 1097 Views
Re: I do that too! Danae al'Thor - 23/04/2010 09:51:39 PM 1126 Views
It is certainly a book that makes you think... Jacob - 26/04/2010 09:46:31 PM 1128 Views
Literature vs. Genre Fiction Jacob - 21/04/2010 02:33:21 PM 1309 Views
Re: Literature vs. Genre Fiction lyringlas - 21/04/2010 08:44:24 PM 1292 Views
Re: Literature vs. Genre Fiction Camilla - 12/05/2010 09:19:31 PM 1140 Views
Re: Panorphaeon - 21/04/2010 09:09:02 PM 1243 Views
How do you know Solaris was an advanced intelligence? Tom - 22/04/2010 01:20:35 AM 1168 Views
Fair enough. Panorphaeon - 22/04/2010 09:04:58 PM 1240 Views
But I think that is Lem's point. everynametaken - 23/04/2010 03:20:18 AM 1225 Views
Good point Tom. everynametaken - 23/04/2010 03:14:23 AM 1117 Views
It's definitely literature Tom - 22/04/2010 01:19:34 AM 1082 Views
You might be winning me over to your thoughts here. Jacob - 26/04/2010 09:42:33 PM 1067 Views
In all fairness to my opponents, Solaris is one of my strongest cases. Tom - 26/04/2010 10:16:20 PM 1030 Views
As long as you realize... Legolas - 26/04/2010 10:26:00 PM 1100 Views
This is why I sort of float around on this issue. Jacob - 27/04/2010 05:49:39 PM 1188 Views
Re: This is why I sort of float around on this issue. Camilla - 13/05/2010 10:15:38 AM 1177 Views
Very well put. Jacob - 17/05/2010 06:51:27 PM 1049 Views
Re: Very well put. Camilla - 17/05/2010 06:53:13 PM 1175 Views
This book is definitely literature. everynametaken - 23/04/2010 02:59:48 AM 1227 Views
Re: This discussion gives me hives. *NM* Danae al'Thor - 23/04/2010 09:52:09 PM 632 Views
Understandable. Jacob - 26/04/2010 07:31:08 PM 1094 Views
Hmmm Camilla - 12/05/2010 09:18:42 PM 1189 Views
What didn't you enjoy? Jacob - 21/04/2010 09:47:06 PM 1091 Views
I didn't like the excessive description of the types of clouds on Solaris. Tom - 22/04/2010 01:17:22 AM 1038 Views
This was what I disliked too Ellestra - 22/04/2010 05:46:05 AM 1261 Views
Re: I didn't like the excessive description of the types of clouds on Solaris. everynametaken - 23/04/2010 03:33:14 AM 1123 Views
Re: I found it made this stark contrast with his descriptions of his own, more human environment. Danae al'Thor - 24/04/2010 09:56:40 AM 1345 Views
That is an interesting take. Jacob - 27/04/2010 05:53:23 PM 1174 Views
I didn't really find anything difficult about it. everynametaken - 23/04/2010 03:38:48 AM 1199 Views
The only thing that bothered me... Jacob - 03/05/2010 07:06:42 PM 1309 Views
So, is there really anything to discuss about the story itself? Larry - 22/04/2010 08:55:03 AM 1257 Views
Apparently not. Tom - 22/04/2010 01:38:24 PM 1295 Views
True Larry - 22/04/2010 09:29:53 PM 1124 Views
Point of fact, Jacob - 23/04/2010 02:53:47 PM 1168 Views
Perhaps it's time for a self-reevaluation then Larry - 24/04/2010 10:45:44 AM 1520 Views
They never claimed to have a monopoly on guiding the discussions. I am just happy they are starting Tashmere - 25/04/2010 05:51:01 PM 1136 Views
Thank you for telling me how I should prioritize my life, Larry. Jacob - 26/04/2010 04:54:01 PM 1334 Views
At least I am not as quick to repeat the same excuses Larry - 26/04/2010 05:13:08 PM 1493 Views
I was originally gonna reply to your previous post, then decided not to. Guess I will now. Legolas - 26/04/2010 05:42:15 PM 1328 Views
Thank you. Jacob - 26/04/2010 07:41:17 PM 1278 Views
Well, when my sleeping is screwed up, interpretations are going to be wonky, it seems Larry - 27/04/2010 06:21:57 PM 1235 Views
One point... Jacob - 26/04/2010 07:34:02 PM 1150 Views
Posting while irritated and about to crash does little good, it seems Larry - 27/04/2010 06:20:19 PM 1237 Views
The delay to the review is my fault. I've got a mostly finished one. I'm just not happy with it. Rebekah - 27/04/2010 07:19:35 PM 1199 Views
It wasn't the review I was irritated about, but thanks for doing it Larry - 27/04/2010 07:39:08 PM 1123 Views
Ah. OK. Rebekah - 27/04/2010 07:47:09 PM 1265 Views
Thanks Larry - 27/04/2010 07:58:54 PM 1145 Views
I'm a bit ambivalent on the merits of this approach of yours. Legolas - 26/04/2010 05:32:19 PM 1106 Views
You highlight my only frustration with the thread. Tom - 26/04/2010 05:48:01 PM 1460 Views
I am mostly just trying the approach out as something a little bit different. Jacob - 26/04/2010 07:23:12 PM 1208 Views
Re: So what do you think about any of those things? Danae al'Thor - 23/04/2010 08:30:55 PM 1118 Views
I've posted my thoughts on most of those issues in various places in this discussion. Tom - 24/04/2010 05:02:44 AM 1304 Views
Re: I think I'd just like for you to be more proactive and Start A Thread. Danae al'Thor - 24/04/2010 09:50:26 AM 1201 Views
I was sort of being lazy. I'll do so now. *NM* Tom - 25/04/2010 03:20:12 PM 635 Views
A question about Lem. everynametaken - 23/04/2010 03:49:57 AM 1139 Views
I've only read one other book by him, The Cyberiad Larry - 23/04/2010 04:03:19 AM 1253 Views
Re: A question about Lem. Ellestra - 23/04/2010 07:26:18 PM 1267 Views
Thanks. everynametaken - 24/04/2010 06:42:05 AM 1259 Views
Yes Camilla - 24/04/2010 02:43:17 PM 1226 Views
My main thoughts on Solaris by Stanislaw Lem everynametaken - 23/04/2010 02:50:10 AM 1489 Views
Re: About that "worst" thoughts issue. Danae al'Thor - 23/04/2010 09:49:04 PM 1395 Views
Re: About that "worst" thoughts issue. Camilla - 12/05/2010 09:35:48 PM 1292 Views
I came away with the same message you did on the first point. Tashmere - 25/04/2010 04:46:09 PM 1109 Views
Re: My main thoughts on Solaris by Stanislaw Lem Camilla - 12/05/2010 09:31:32 PM 1262 Views
Re: So I have no team spirit and should be lynched. Danae al'Thor - 23/04/2010 09:41:48 PM 1148 Views
I finally watched Avatar for the first time tonight. Tashmere - 25/04/2010 04:27:34 AM 1119 Views
Solaris was, I hope, better than Avatar. Tom - 25/04/2010 04:54:12 AM 1099 Views
Re: I finally watched Avatar for the first time tonight. Ellestra - 25/04/2010 01:52:19 PM 1156 Views
It had more to do with recognizing mankind's tendency to imposes their ideas on other cultures. Tashmere - 25/04/2010 05:35:25 PM 1188 Views
Misplaced answer . *NM* Tashmere - 25/04/2010 04:40:27 PM 538 Views
On identity and communication: do we love only ourselves? Tom - 25/04/2010 03:35:34 PM 1178 Views
I did spend a lot of the book speculating on what the planet was trying to do with those supressed Tashmere - 25/04/2010 05:05:38 PM 1232 Views
The argument: (From the text and some thoughts) Jacob - 27/04/2010 06:22:34 PM 1108 Views
Yes Camilla - 12/05/2010 10:10:30 PM 1263 Views
That is a great idea... Jacob - 17/05/2010 06:58:48 PM 1182 Views
Re: That is a great idea... Camilla - 17/05/2010 07:02:44 PM 1213 Views
That settles it. I am going to have to reread it. Tashmere - 13/05/2010 12:23:14 AM 1132 Views
It is interesting you should say that. Camilla - 12/05/2010 09:56:26 PM 1390 Views
That is the second time this week that I have heard something about Derrida. Now I am going to have Tashmere - 13/05/2010 12:02:56 AM 1252 Views
Derrida is great. Camilla - 13/05/2010 10:06:49 AM 1304 Views
Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? Tom - 25/04/2010 03:40:57 PM 1129 Views
I can't decide. Rebekah - 25/04/2010 03:54:39 PM 1274 Views
An interesting point to consider... everynametaken - 25/04/2010 10:41:17 PM 1278 Views
Re: I can't decide. Camilla - 12/05/2010 10:05:21 PM 1077 Views
Re: Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? everynametaken - 25/04/2010 10:31:58 PM 1261 Views
Ooohhhh. I like that theory. Tashmere - 25/04/2010 11:32:15 PM 1242 Views
Does it make a difference? Jacob - 26/04/2010 07:29:44 PM 1095 Views
Re: Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? Camilla - 12/05/2010 09:57:05 PM 1260 Views
What do you think the biggest message of the book is? Tom - 25/04/2010 03:47:03 PM 1203 Views
Re: Does he let go of her? How independant is she of him? Danae al'Thor - 25/04/2010 04:07:33 PM 1329 Views
That's an interesting observation. Tom - 26/04/2010 10:23:28 PM 1121 Views
Re: I was telling Tashmere... Danae al'Thor - 11/05/2010 11:05:09 AM 1263 Views
Re: What do you think the biggest message of the book is? everynametaken - 25/04/2010 10:16:16 PM 1173 Views
Communication with the entirely other Camilla - 12/05/2010 10:01:37 PM 1199 Views
Did anyone else do any wondering what their own visitors would take the form of if they were there? Tashmere - 26/04/2010 11:31:27 PM 1112 Views
Actually, no. It was obvious to me. *NM* Tom - 26/04/2010 11:41:22 PM 532 Views
In a way yes. Jacob - 27/04/2010 06:33:43 PM 1210 Views
My father, perhaps. Panorphaeon - 27/04/2010 08:55:18 PM 1102 Views
Ha. Jacob - 27/04/2010 09:16:56 PM 1137 Views
Re: You know, the more I think about it, the more surprised I am everyone only seemed to have one. Danae al'Thor - 10/05/2010 10:08:23 PM 1161 Views
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