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Hmmm Camilla Send a noteboard - 12/05/2010 09:18:42 PM
Around these parts, we like to discuss the differences between what constitutes Literature and what is categorized as genre fiction. We discuss this division as if there is no real overlap between the two... the different categories define books that simply seek to do different things.

My question is how do you categorize this novel? It is obviously science fiction, but is the story more? Are the themes and elements of this novel ultimately knowable, related to human experience, your experience of life? What elements/scenes really stand out to you?


My take on this has always been that what breaks patterns is literature, to the extent that there is a definition. Solaris definitely fits that description. It does not resolve the questions it poses, it does not provide a happy ending.

It is more action filled than the other Lem books I have read, and I can see why it would be more appealing to a science fiction reader looking for more conventional fare than what His Master's Voice provides, but it is still playing with the conventions of the genre.

I have never bought into the idea that just because there are space ships, something becomes genre literature.

I suspect this novel is pretty much what you make of it. It would be interesting to find out if those belonging to other sciences than mine have the same feeling: I keep reading it as a commentary on literature and literary theory. I do that a lot with Lem. It is almost impossible not to. But would a physicist find parts of his or her subject treated in it? I'd like to know.

As far as memorable scenes go. I was worried I would have nightmares after the inhuman voice shouting in the shuttle. And the big black woman with the dead man. But I am not sure I have got it sufficiently far from me yet to really say what struck me.

I will say that it seems to have affected me less than his other books. But I am saying that the day after finishing it. It might not be true in a week.
*MySmiley*
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Sci-Fi Book Club: SOLARIS by Stanislaw Lem - 19/04/2010 05:50:45 PM 2016 Views
Roll-Call: Have you read it? Are you reading it? Like it: Yes/NO? *NM* - 19/04/2010 05:52:00 PM 705 Views
I read it back in January. - 19/04/2010 06:23:29 PM 1290 Views
I read it years ago, and liked it. *NM* - 19/04/2010 06:41:36 PM 664 Views
I just finished it. - 19/04/2010 06:54:49 PM 1272 Views
Well, to be fair, - 20/04/2010 08:12:17 PM 1187 Views
Heh. - 21/04/2010 08:31:51 AM 1424 Views
Re: Well, to be fair, - 12/05/2010 09:06:06 PM 1149 Views
That was how I felt too. - 20/04/2010 11:39:15 PM 1010 Views
I read it 3 years ago, and liked it. - 19/04/2010 06:58:37 PM 1565 Views
I read it, and liked it. - 19/04/2010 07:33:16 PM 1276 Views
I plan to - 19/04/2010 07:41:21 PM 1397 Views
I might re-read it in a few days - 19/04/2010 09:11:35 PM 1199 Views
I'm currently reading it - 20/04/2010 10:00:05 AM 1448 Views
That has always bothered me too. - 20/04/2010 08:20:56 PM 1097 Views
Indeed - 11/05/2010 03:02:26 PM 1130 Views
It was a while since I've read it - 22/04/2010 05:33:44 AM 1120 Views
I have started reading it - 11/05/2010 11:10:53 AM 1049 Views
Translation: - 19/04/2010 05:54:57 PM 1342 Views
I read it in Russian, which was very close to the original. - 19/04/2010 06:25:00 PM 1318 Views
I'm not sure now, I think I read it in Dutch. - 19/04/2010 06:43:30 PM 1239 Views
English translation by Joanna Kilmartin and Steve Cox (1970). - 19/04/2010 06:56:54 PM 1211 Views
Translation of a translation, actually. *NM* - 19/04/2010 07:22:18 PM 639 Views
Yes, I did read Jake's intro piece there. *NM* - 19/04/2010 07:23:44 PM 646 Views
I figured you were not accurate enough. - 19/04/2010 07:26:54 PM 1199 Views
Pffft. Accuracy is for nerds. - 19/04/2010 07:31:52 PM 1288 Views
That was the one I read. - 20/04/2010 01:43:01 AM 1434 Views
I read it in Czech - 19/04/2010 07:40:05 PM 1462 Views
I also read a Swedish translation. - 19/04/2010 07:41:31 PM 1640 Views
1970 translation from French to English by Joanna Kilmartin and Steve Cox - 20/04/2010 02:20:42 AM 1326 Views
I have a different opinion on this. - 20/04/2010 08:17:06 PM 1230 Views
I've read it in Polish - 22/04/2010 05:32:33 AM 1054 Views
Re: So it's flat and boring? - 23/04/2010 09:50:38 PM 1186 Views
Re: Does anyone know why the Polish publishers haven't commissioned another translation? - 24/04/2010 10:04:38 AM 1172 Views
Rights issues, I beieve - 24/04/2010 10:48:53 AM 1206 Views
So 'we' have read the novel in 6 different languages. - 27/04/2010 09:20:02 PM 1063 Views
I read the English from French translation - 12/05/2010 09:10:42 PM 1034 Views
This was my general experience as well. - 17/05/2010 06:53:58 PM 1083 Views
I probably got more out of it than I first thought. - 20/04/2010 11:37:52 PM 1032 Views
Re: I do that too! - 23/04/2010 09:51:39 PM 1033 Views
It is certainly a book that makes you think... - 26/04/2010 09:46:31 PM 1067 Views
Literature vs. Genre Fiction - 21/04/2010 02:33:21 PM 1236 Views
Re: Literature vs. Genre Fiction - 21/04/2010 08:44:24 PM 1221 Views
Re: Literature vs. Genre Fiction - 12/05/2010 09:19:31 PM 1077 Views
Re: - 21/04/2010 09:09:02 PM 1159 Views
How do you know Solaris was an advanced intelligence? - 22/04/2010 01:20:35 AM 1092 Views
Fair enough. - 22/04/2010 09:04:58 PM 1149 Views
But I think that is Lem's point. - 23/04/2010 03:20:18 AM 1158 Views
Good point Tom. - 23/04/2010 03:14:23 AM 1054 Views
It's definitely literature - 22/04/2010 01:19:34 AM 1018 Views
You might be winning me over to your thoughts here. - 26/04/2010 09:42:33 PM 1002 Views
As long as you realize... - 26/04/2010 10:26:00 PM 1032 Views
This is why I sort of float around on this issue. - 27/04/2010 05:49:39 PM 1104 Views
Re: This is why I sort of float around on this issue. - 13/05/2010 10:15:38 AM 1110 Views
Very well put. - 17/05/2010 06:51:27 PM 989 Views
Re: Very well put. - 17/05/2010 06:53:13 PM 1120 Views
This book is definitely literature. - 23/04/2010 02:59:48 AM 1161 Views
Re: This discussion gives me hives. *NM* - 23/04/2010 09:52:09 PM 598 Views
Understandable. - 26/04/2010 07:31:08 PM 1026 Views
Hmmm - 12/05/2010 09:18:42 PM 1108 Views
What didn't you enjoy? - 21/04/2010 09:47:06 PM 1028 Views
I didn't like the excessive description of the types of clouds on Solaris. - 22/04/2010 01:17:22 AM 986 Views
This was what I disliked too - 22/04/2010 05:46:05 AM 1201 Views
Re: I didn't like the excessive description of the types of clouds on Solaris. - 23/04/2010 03:33:14 AM 1067 Views
Re: I found it made this stark contrast with his descriptions of his own, more human environment. - 24/04/2010 09:56:40 AM 1273 Views
That is an interesting take. - 27/04/2010 05:53:23 PM 1120 Views
I didn't really find anything difficult about it. - 23/04/2010 03:38:48 AM 1116 Views
The only thing that bothered me... - 03/05/2010 07:06:42 PM 1241 Views
So, is there really anything to discuss about the story itself? - 22/04/2010 08:55:03 AM 1197 Views
Apparently not. - 22/04/2010 01:38:24 PM 1235 Views
True - 22/04/2010 09:29:53 PM 1058 Views
Point of fact, - 23/04/2010 02:53:47 PM 1109 Views
Perhaps it's time for a self-reevaluation then - 24/04/2010 10:45:44 AM 1441 Views
Thank you for telling me how I should prioritize my life, Larry. - 26/04/2010 04:54:01 PM 1252 Views
At least I am not as quick to repeat the same excuses - 26/04/2010 05:13:08 PM 1414 Views
I was originally gonna reply to your previous post, then decided not to. Guess I will now. - 26/04/2010 05:42:15 PM 1262 Views
Thank you. - 26/04/2010 07:41:17 PM 1218 Views
One point... - 26/04/2010 07:34:02 PM 1093 Views
Posting while irritated and about to crash does little good, it seems - 27/04/2010 06:20:19 PM 1183 Views
The delay to the review is my fault. I've got a mostly finished one. I'm just not happy with it. - 27/04/2010 07:19:35 PM 1134 Views
It wasn't the review I was irritated about, but thanks for doing it - 27/04/2010 07:39:08 PM 1030 Views
Ah. OK. - 27/04/2010 07:47:09 PM 1198 Views
Thanks - 27/04/2010 07:58:54 PM 1086 Views
I'm a bit ambivalent on the merits of this approach of yours. - 26/04/2010 05:32:19 PM 1034 Views
You highlight my only frustration with the thread. - 26/04/2010 05:48:01 PM 1402 Views
Re: So what do you think about any of those things? - 23/04/2010 08:30:55 PM 1060 Views
A question about Lem. - 23/04/2010 03:49:57 AM 1081 Views
I've only read one other book by him, The Cyberiad - 23/04/2010 04:03:19 AM 1187 Views
Re: A question about Lem. - 23/04/2010 07:26:18 PM 1182 Views
Thanks. - 24/04/2010 06:42:05 AM 1197 Views
Yes - 24/04/2010 02:43:17 PM 1155 Views
My main thoughts on Solaris by Stanislaw Lem - 23/04/2010 02:50:10 AM 1414 Views
Re: About that "worst" thoughts issue. - 23/04/2010 09:49:04 PM 1317 Views
Re: About that "worst" thoughts issue. - 12/05/2010 09:35:48 PM 1232 Views
I came away with the same message you did on the first point. - 25/04/2010 04:46:09 PM 1056 Views
Re: My main thoughts on Solaris by Stanislaw Lem - 12/05/2010 09:31:32 PM 1177 Views
Re: So I have no team spirit and should be lynched. - 23/04/2010 09:41:48 PM 1056 Views
I finally watched Avatar for the first time tonight. - 25/04/2010 04:27:34 AM 1069 Views
Solaris was, I hope, better than Avatar. - 25/04/2010 04:54:12 AM 1016 Views
Misplaced answer . *NM* - 25/04/2010 04:40:27 PM 511 Views
On identity and communication: do we love only ourselves? - 25/04/2010 03:35:34 PM 1098 Views
The argument: (From the text and some thoughts) - 27/04/2010 06:22:34 PM 1033 Views
Yes - 12/05/2010 10:10:30 PM 1183 Views
That is a great idea... - 17/05/2010 06:58:48 PM 1125 Views
Re: That is a great idea... - 17/05/2010 07:02:44 PM 1129 Views
That settles it. I am going to have to reread it. - 13/05/2010 12:23:14 AM 1058 Views
It is interesting you should say that. - 12/05/2010 09:56:26 PM 1308 Views
That is the second time this week that I have heard something about Derrida. Now I am going to have - 13/05/2010 12:02:56 AM 1173 Views
Derrida is great. - 13/05/2010 10:06:49 AM 1206 Views
Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? - 25/04/2010 03:40:57 PM 1069 Views
I can't decide. - 25/04/2010 03:54:39 PM 1218 Views
An interesting point to consider... - 25/04/2010 10:41:17 PM 1215 Views
Re: I can't decide. - 12/05/2010 10:05:21 PM 1012 Views
Re: Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? - 25/04/2010 10:31:58 PM 1195 Views
Ooohhhh. I like that theory. - 25/04/2010 11:32:15 PM 1175 Views
Does it make a difference? - 26/04/2010 07:29:44 PM 1034 Views
Re: Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? - 12/05/2010 09:57:05 PM 1170 Views
What do you think the biggest message of the book is? - 25/04/2010 03:47:03 PM 1115 Views
Re: Does he let go of her? How independant is she of him? - 25/04/2010 04:07:33 PM 1188 Views
That's an interesting observation. - 26/04/2010 10:23:28 PM 1063 Views
Re: I was telling Tashmere... - 11/05/2010 11:05:09 AM 1193 Views
Re: What do you think the biggest message of the book is? - 25/04/2010 10:16:16 PM 1109 Views
Communication with the entirely other - 12/05/2010 10:01:37 PM 1135 Views
Did anyone else do any wondering what their own visitors would take the form of if they were there? - 26/04/2010 11:31:27 PM 1048 Views
Actually, no. It was obvious to me. *NM* - 26/04/2010 11:41:22 PM 500 Views
In a way yes. - 27/04/2010 06:33:43 PM 1139 Views
My father, perhaps. - 27/04/2010 08:55:18 PM 1035 Views
Ha. - 27/04/2010 09:16:56 PM 1068 Views

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