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Re: That's nonsense.. eucatastrophe Send a noteboard - 16/07/2010 09:37:59 AM
We're told that the Potters knew that someone close to them was Voldy's mole. That's precisely why Dumbledore offered himself as Secret Keeper.

The question is why didn't he suggest that Lily or James should take the job?



Firstly, they did not know for sure, they (James, Sirius, Lupin, DD) only suspected. As Ghavrel mentions, it was unthinkable to them that someone close to them was passing information, in spite of all the evidence cropping up and pointing to this very fact.

As to your question, what if at that time, no one knew the effect of having the subjects of the Fidelius Charm as Secret Keepers? As we've seen from the books, the wizarding world is still unearthing magical secrets (Wolfsbane Potion, Marauders' Map, the Deluminator) so what if this was something Dumbledore figured out recently?

Anyways, I think it has more to do with the fact that being a friend to the Potters equalled to being their kin.

The concept of the spell was probably not as well developed when Rowling wrote The Philosopher's Stone. Some may see it as a plot hole. I don't; I think if Ms. Rowling saw this as a plot hole, she did a marvellous job working around it.
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Harry Potter Re-read: The Philosopher's Stone - Final section underway! (& next book plans) Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:27:51 AM 3872 Views
Chapters 1-3: Introducing Harry Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:28:49 AM 2102 Views
Characterisation *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:29:02 AM 1210 Views
My thoughts, such as they are. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 04:09:55 PM 2208 Views
Agree. She gave us enough to make it interesting. StormCrow - 12/07/2010 06:45:46 PM 2143 Views
Re: My thoughts, such as they are. *spoilers* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:43:49 PM 2151 Views
You hit the nail on the head. Seriana Sedai - 13/07/2010 12:20:19 AM 2032 Views
Re: You hit the nail on the head. Camilla - 13/07/2010 08:51:45 AM 2002 Views
Writing style *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:29:18 AM 1187 Views
A couple of points. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 04:10:20 PM 1970 Views
It is very clear it is a children's book at this time Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:18:14 PM 2182 Views
True. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:36:49 PM 2126 Views
Re: It is very clear it is a children's book at this time Tor - 12/07/2010 09:31:11 PM 2325 Views
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Vernon's slow descent into madness is great. Darth_Katie - 13/07/2010 04:03:26 AM 2179 Views
Re: Vernon's slow descent into madness is great. Camilla - 13/07/2010 08:54:40 AM 2116 Views
Re: Vernon's slow descent into madness is great. Darth_Katie - 13/07/2010 01:14:01 PM 2181 Views
Indeed. Camilla - 13/07/2010 01:15:23 PM 1963 Views
Early themes *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:29:37 AM 1276 Views
Strong vs weak *spoilers* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:23:45 PM 1958 Views
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I'd forgotten how annoying Hermione was Deadsy - 14/07/2010 01:48:13 PM 2030 Views
Me too. nossy - 14/07/2010 04:30:13 PM 1948 Views
Yep. I like seeing her transformation in this story though. StormCrow - 14/07/2010 04:58:04 PM 1987 Views
Re: Yep. I like seeing her transformation in this story though. Camilla - 14/07/2010 06:13:13 PM 2027 Views
Yes and, I think, this may be another candidate for early themes (from above) StormCrow - 14/07/2010 07:43:14 PM 2139 Views
Re: Impressions: thoughts about the school, the teachers, the enemies and the friends. aria - 14/07/2010 04:22:54 PM 2154 Views
Agree. I loved the instant tension between Harry and Malfoy and with Harry and Snape too. StormCrow - 14/07/2010 05:03:20 PM 2298 Views
Some thoughts before I run off to the library again Camilla - 14/07/2010 06:11:45 PM 2237 Views
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What about the magic? Rebekah - 14/07/2010 08:58:51 AM 1994 Views
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I know, right! Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 06:41:01 AM 1943 Views
Exactly. nossy - 15/07/2010 03:22:18 PM 1890 Views
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Ah, see nossy - 15/07/2010 03:23:49 PM 1907 Views
Chapters 11-17: Harry the Hero *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:30:29 AM 1148 Views
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Loved it. StormCrow - 15/07/2010 05:56:06 PM 1996 Views
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Lovely Camilla - 15/07/2010 09:00:11 PM 2103 Views
Haha Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 09:16:16 PM 2185 Views
Re: Haha Camilla - 15/07/2010 09:24:06 PM 2100 Views
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Oh, we are. Camilla - 15/07/2010 09:35:17 PM 1861 Views
Ah like vodka vs. wine coolers? *NM* Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 09:48:26 PM 1102 Views
Gin Camilla - 15/07/2010 09:49:33 PM 1975 Views
I was 16. Rebekah - 15/07/2010 10:49:33 PM 1847 Views
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Heresy! Camilla - 15/07/2010 10:55:28 PM 1877 Views
The decades of manipulation of a child doesn't bother you, but the House Cup does? *NM* Ghavrel - 15/07/2010 11:37:54 PM 1067 Views
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As I indicated below, I had some issues. Nate - 16/07/2010 03:05:05 AM 2193 Views
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Foreshadowing and setting up the future Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:32:10 AM 1914 Views
Harry's anger management issues? StormCrow - 12/07/2010 07:14:58 PM 1996 Views
Heh. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:40:40 PM 2017 Views
Nah, not deliberate. StormCrow - 12/07/2010 09:14:20 PM 2080 Views
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Re: Nah, not deliberate. StormCrow - 13/07/2010 03:02:59 PM 1948 Views
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Re: I noticed a lot of this. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:39:25 PM 2049 Views
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~smug~ Elaine - 13/07/2010 02:09:15 PM 1997 Views
Indeed. Camilla - 13/07/2010 02:10:41 PM 2257 Views
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On Ginny: Kronin al'Sulc - 12/07/2010 10:36:47 PM 2152 Views
This was my interpretation too and why I didn't pay much attention to it at the time. *NM* StormCrow - 13/07/2010 02:53:08 PM 1029 Views
I've noticed a lot of the same things, probably because I've reread this book so many times... Cockatiel of Doom - 13/07/2010 04:45:28 AM 2274 Views
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So much (chapters 1-3) *spoilers* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:35:57 PM 2251 Views
Hm. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:38:05 PM 2083 Views
Re: Hm. Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:39:08 PM 2081 Views
Re: Hm. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:39:53 PM 1894 Views
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Re: Hm. Cockatiel of Doom - 13/07/2010 04:41:12 AM 1897 Views
Re: Hm. Camilla - 13/07/2010 08:55:09 AM 1978 Views
I missed the school roof thing this time around too! Good catch there. *NM* StormCrow - 12/07/2010 09:22:21 PM 1154 Views
The thing that tipped me off Camilla - 12/07/2010 09:53:01 PM 1997 Views
Imagine how easy his test would have been if he remembered he'd done it as a child! *NM* StormCrow - 13/07/2010 03:20:27 PM 1120 Views
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I re-read a couple weeks ago, and I was highly amused by all the little things she worked in nossy - 14/07/2010 04:09:19 AM 2086 Views
Some stuff (chapters 4-11) Camilla - 14/07/2010 09:18:35 PM 2206 Views
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I can answer your consistency question! Cockatiel of Doom - 15/07/2010 02:35:42 AM 2151 Views
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Ooh, yes. Cockatiel of Doom - 16/07/2010 12:19:13 AM 1838 Views
More stuff (chapters 12-17) Camilla - 15/07/2010 08:55:34 PM 1863 Views
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Tiny tiny inconsistency (?) in Ch. 12 Cockatiel of Doom - 17/07/2010 04:23:15 PM 2079 Views
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Re: Tiny tiny inconsistency (?) in Ch. 12 aria - 17/07/2010 07:12:39 PM 2226 Views
I like it. Thank you. Cockatiel of Doom - 20/07/2010 12:53:37 AM 2190 Views
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I have no idea *spoilers* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:47:58 PM 2186 Views
I agree... StormCrow - 12/07/2010 09:19:59 PM 2169 Views
I think it was mostly because it was a simple narrative with an identifiable protagnonist. Chas - 13/07/2010 11:59:06 PM 2055 Views
It has tons of things in it that every kid dreams of doing Deadsy - 14/07/2010 01:56:05 PM 2099 Views
Kid? Camilla - 14/07/2010 02:01:30 PM 2085 Views
so do I. I was just trying to act mature *NM* Deadsy - 14/07/2010 02:08:01 PM 1278 Views
Not even just the super stuff Deadsy mentions. nossy - 14/07/2010 04:38:46 PM 2216 Views
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you don't read instructions, do you? Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:49:24 PM 2151 Views
Heh. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:50:23 PM 2070 Views
Re: Heh. Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:51:40 PM 2070 Views
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Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:52:52 PM 2115 Views
Wha? Nate - 12/07/2010 07:50:44 PM 2153 Views
Re: Wha? Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:52:21 PM 2091 Views
Pff. Nate - 12/07/2010 07:54:54 PM 2085 Views
*NM* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:56:03 PM 1293 Views
When did you pick up this book? Dark Knight - 12/07/2010 11:30:46 PM 2015 Views
I was 10. Darth_Katie - 13/07/2010 04:13:44 AM 2165 Views
Ah book orders...man you just brought back nostalgic memories. I miss being a kid Dark Knight - 13/07/2010 04:42:12 AM 2220 Views
I was 16. Rebekah - 13/07/2010 08:24:02 AM 2094 Views
1999 Camilla - 13/07/2010 09:03:03 AM 2086 Views
What do you mean by adult version? aria - 13/07/2010 02:15:40 PM 2207 Views
Re: What do you mean by adult version? Camilla - 13/07/2010 02:17:40 PM 2081 Views
They started publishing copies with 'adult' covers so people wouldn't be caught out reading Chas - 13/07/2010 11:53:46 PM 2128 Views
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When Prisoner of Azkaban was a hardback. Elaine - 13/07/2010 02:23:57 PM 2111 Views
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Just after Goblet of Fire was published. Chas - 13/07/2010 11:50:38 PM 2169 Views
Just before Goblet of Fire came out. nossy - 14/07/2010 04:04:21 AM 2110 Views
The first five were out, waited for HBP. Seriana Sedai - 14/07/2010 06:20:39 AM 2250 Views
You're making me want to talk about toadface Deadsy - 14/07/2010 02:06:25 PM 2135 Views
Sorry! Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 06:36:11 AM 2204 Views
Very early. Beginning of 1999, so it had just come out in the States. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/07/2010 08:54:06 AM 1325 Views
I held out quite awhile because I don't like "fads" Deadsy - 14/07/2010 02:04:37 PM 2076 Views
Lol! aria - 14/07/2010 08:54:47 PM 2165 Views
I did the same thing. Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 06:39:16 AM 2189 Views
Re: I did the same thing. Deadsy - 15/07/2010 10:01:04 AM 2367 Views
Re: I did the same thing. Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 05:44:28 PM 2256 Views
I would have, if I had known there was hype. I know I would have. nossy - 15/07/2010 03:28:50 PM 2251 Views
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I think I was first! Monkey - 23/07/2010 07:05:08 PM 2187 Views
Aged 13 or 14 - a while before the first movie (which was Christmas 2001). *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2010 04:13:55 PM 1300 Views
Jesus Christ. Tor - 26/07/2010 05:04:46 PM 2305 Views
^That was me. *NM* Camilla - 26/07/2010 09:55:49 PM 1312 Views
I was going to ask if it was. *NM* Rebekah - 26/07/2010 10:04:59 PM 1260 Views
Aw. I was just feeling flattered as I didn't think Tor had read that many of my posts. *NM* Legolas - 27/07/2010 12:15:52 AM 1274 Views
Besides, you've met me, you should know how old I am. *NM* Legolas - 27/07/2010 12:16:23 AM 1321 Views
I am very bad at guessing age when I meet people in person Camilla - 27/07/2010 09:05:35 AM 2707 Views
Suggestions for the Re-read Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:33:25 AM 2138 Views
I like it so far Camilla - 13/07/2010 10:16:49 AM 2112 Views
I can try that for the next book. Rebekah - 13/07/2010 11:21:01 PM 2087 Views
This is my first official time participating and its been fun so far! StormCrow - 14/07/2010 05:16:48 PM 2058 Views
Unfortunately, no. (Silly me, pretending someone's still going to read all my posts... ) *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2010 04:20:35 PM 1290 Views
Can we get chapter discussions everyday? *NM* Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 06:40:30 PM 1239 Views
Inconsistencies Re: the Potter's death... fionwe1987 - 15/07/2010 05:16:45 AM 2474 Views
Because they were tricked? They considered Peter and Sirius to be brothers. Ghavrel - 15/07/2010 07:05:27 AM 2104 Views
That's nonsense.. fionwe1987 - 16/07/2010 01:08:40 AM 2044 Views
Take it up with Rowling, since you don't believe me. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/07/2010 08:19:58 AM 1178 Views
What's there to believe? fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 06:03:13 AM 2139 Views
Peter + Sirius = family. I don't know how to explain it more simply. *NM* Ghavrel - 18/07/2010 08:58:20 AM 1289 Views
Re: That's nonsense.. eucatastrophe - 16/07/2010 09:37:59 AM 2234 Views
Also Camilla - 16/07/2010 11:17:51 AM 2480 Views
You are correct! There is no inconsistency eucatastrophe - 17/07/2010 04:17:35 AM 2169 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 05:57:58 AM 2025 Views
But Camilla explained it! eucatastrophe - 18/07/2010 09:27:55 AM 2339 Views
Correction Camilla - 18/07/2010 10:58:59 AM 2156 Views
I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 05:42:18 PM 2043 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... Camilla - 18/07/2010 05:51:36 PM 2070 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 06:17:04 PM 2365 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... Camilla - 18/07/2010 06:28:27 PM 2061 Views
That bothers me too. aria - 18/07/2010 07:17:14 PM 2152 Views
Re: That bothers me too. Camilla - 18/07/2010 07:20:44 PM 2013 Views
Yet... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 07:47:56 PM 2077 Views
Re: Yet... Camilla - 18/07/2010 08:02:31 PM 2093 Views
To quote Dumbledore... fionwe1987 - 19/07/2010 05:57:23 AM 2016 Views
Again... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 07:35:10 PM 2317 Views
Re: Again... Camilla - 18/07/2010 08:00:55 PM 2104 Views
Re: Again... fionwe1987 - 19/07/2010 06:33:13 AM 2300 Views
Re: Again... Camilla - 20/07/2010 04:45:16 PM 2125 Views
Yet another load of bosh. fionwe1987 - 21/07/2010 01:00:14 AM 2095 Views
Then let's leave it. Camilla - 21/07/2010 06:48:45 AM 2239 Views
Re: Then let's leave it. fionwe1987 - 21/07/2010 04:19:35 PM 2101 Views
My two cents Seriana Sedai - 19/07/2010 06:11:30 AM 2219 Views
It was just the sort of things these two daredevils would do... DomA - 14/09/2010 12:11:20 AM 2579 Views
Re: It was just the sort of things these two daredevils would do... Camilla - 14/09/2010 09:20:46 AM 1994 Views
You have to wonder if that's actually true. Legolas - 26/07/2010 04:23:31 PM 2094 Views
Re: You have to wonder if that's actually true. Tor - 26/07/2010 05:06:43 PM 2288 Views
I don't know that I'd call it "see through Pettigrew"... Legolas - 26/07/2010 06:22:19 PM 2057 Views
^That was me, too. Oh, dear. Camilla - 26/07/2010 09:56:43 PM 2294 Views
Since Lily and James were unable to leave the house aria - 18/07/2010 07:14:21 PM 2087 Views
Re: Since Lily and James were unable to leave the house Tor - 26/07/2010 05:07:48 PM 2493 Views
^ And this, too, was me. Camilla - 26/07/2010 09:58:07 PM 2107 Views
Re: ^ And this, too, was me. Rebekah - 26/07/2010 10:05:41 PM 2007 Views
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