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Re: That's nonsense.. eucatastrophe Send a noteboard - 16/07/2010 09:37:59 AM
We're told that the Potters knew that someone close to them was Voldy's mole. That's precisely why Dumbledore offered himself as Secret Keeper.

The question is why didn't he suggest that Lily or James should take the job?



Firstly, they did not know for sure, they (James, Sirius, Lupin, DD) only suspected. As Ghavrel mentions, it was unthinkable to them that someone close to them was passing information, in spite of all the evidence cropping up and pointing to this very fact.

As to your question, what if at that time, no one knew the effect of having the subjects of the Fidelius Charm as Secret Keepers? As we've seen from the books, the wizarding world is still unearthing magical secrets (Wolfsbane Potion, Marauders' Map, the Deluminator) so what if this was something Dumbledore figured out recently?

Anyways, I think it has more to do with the fact that being a friend to the Potters equalled to being their kin.

The concept of the spell was probably not as well developed when Rowling wrote The Philosopher's Stone. Some may see it as a plot hole. I don't; I think if Ms. Rowling saw this as a plot hole, she did a marvellous job working around it.
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Harry Potter Re-read: The Philosopher's Stone - Final section underway! (& next book plans) Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:27:51 AM 3839 Views
Chapters 1-3: Introducing Harry Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:28:49 AM 2072 Views
Characterisation *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:29:02 AM 1196 Views
My thoughts, such as they are. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 04:09:55 PM 2177 Views
Agree. She gave us enough to make it interesting. StormCrow - 12/07/2010 06:45:46 PM 2110 Views
Re: My thoughts, such as they are. *spoilers* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:43:49 PM 2123 Views
You hit the nail on the head. Seriana Sedai - 13/07/2010 12:20:19 AM 2008 Views
Re: You hit the nail on the head. Camilla - 13/07/2010 08:51:45 AM 1968 Views
Writing style *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:29:18 AM 1171 Views
A couple of points. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 04:10:20 PM 1944 Views
It is very clear it is a children's book at this time Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:18:14 PM 2157 Views
True. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:36:49 PM 2099 Views
Re: It is very clear it is a children's book at this time Tor - 12/07/2010 09:31:11 PM 2304 Views
Re: It is very clear it is a children's book at this time Camilla - 12/07/2010 09:51:23 PM 1889 Views
Vernon's slow descent into madness is great. Darth_Katie - 13/07/2010 04:03:26 AM 2152 Views
Re: Vernon's slow descent into madness is great. Camilla - 13/07/2010 08:54:40 AM 2091 Views
Re: Vernon's slow descent into madness is great. Darth_Katie - 13/07/2010 01:14:01 PM 2155 Views
Indeed. Camilla - 13/07/2010 01:15:23 PM 1940 Views
Early themes *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:29:37 AM 1260 Views
Strong vs weak *spoilers* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:23:45 PM 1925 Views
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I'd forgotten how annoying Hermione was Deadsy - 14/07/2010 01:48:13 PM 2001 Views
Me too. nossy - 14/07/2010 04:30:13 PM 1922 Views
Yep. I like seeing her transformation in this story though. StormCrow - 14/07/2010 04:58:04 PM 1962 Views
Re: Yep. I like seeing her transformation in this story though. Camilla - 14/07/2010 06:13:13 PM 2000 Views
Yes and, I think, this may be another candidate for early themes (from above) StormCrow - 14/07/2010 07:43:14 PM 2113 Views
Re: Impressions: thoughts about the school, the teachers, the enemies and the friends. aria - 14/07/2010 04:22:54 PM 2122 Views
Agree. I loved the instant tension between Harry and Malfoy and with Harry and Snape too. StormCrow - 14/07/2010 05:03:20 PM 2269 Views
Some thoughts before I run off to the library again Camilla - 14/07/2010 06:11:45 PM 2201 Views
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What about the magic? Rebekah - 14/07/2010 08:58:51 AM 1964 Views
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I felt bad for Neville. StormCrow - 14/07/2010 09:03:49 PM 2040 Views
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But it doesn't tell you what you've forgotten! nossy - 15/07/2010 02:51:47 AM 2192 Views
I know, right! Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 06:41:01 AM 1917 Views
Exactly. nossy - 15/07/2010 03:22:18 PM 1859 Views
Re: But it doesn't tell you what you've forgotten! Camilla - 15/07/2010 08:15:55 AM 1971 Views
Ah, see nossy - 15/07/2010 03:23:49 PM 1879 Views
Chapters 11-17: Harry the Hero *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:30:29 AM 1133 Views
What'd you think of the ending? *NM* Rebekah - 15/07/2010 05:21:38 PM 1093 Views
Loved it. StormCrow - 15/07/2010 05:56:06 PM 1961 Views
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I can clarify some stuff for you Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 09:14:07 PM 2060 Views
One of the most sublime, wonderful moments of any book Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 08:18:29 PM 1834 Views
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Lovely Camilla - 15/07/2010 09:00:11 PM 2075 Views
Haha Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 09:16:16 PM 2155 Views
Re: Haha Camilla - 15/07/2010 09:24:06 PM 2059 Views
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Oh, we are. Camilla - 15/07/2010 09:35:17 PM 1828 Views
Ah like vodka vs. wine coolers? *NM* Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 09:48:26 PM 1084 Views
Gin Camilla - 15/07/2010 09:49:33 PM 1947 Views
I was 16. Rebekah - 15/07/2010 10:49:33 PM 1819 Views
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Honestly, dumbledore is a bit of an ass... jh - 15/07/2010 10:48:32 PM 1834 Views
Heresy! Camilla - 15/07/2010 10:55:28 PM 1851 Views
The decades of manipulation of a child doesn't bother you, but the House Cup does? *NM* Ghavrel - 15/07/2010 11:37:54 PM 1053 Views
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As I indicated below, I had some issues. Nate - 16/07/2010 03:05:05 AM 2159 Views
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In fairness, it's Hogwarts itself that is all but impregnable. Legolas - 26/07/2010 03:55:02 PM 1958 Views
A funny thing I noticed Camilla - 15/07/2010 09:00:42 PM 2064 Views
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Foreshadowing and setting up the future Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:32:10 AM 1887 Views
Harry's anger management issues? StormCrow - 12/07/2010 07:14:58 PM 1967 Views
Heh. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:40:40 PM 1990 Views
Nah, not deliberate. StormCrow - 12/07/2010 09:14:20 PM 2053 Views
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Re: Nah, not deliberate. StormCrow - 13/07/2010 03:02:59 PM 1922 Views
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Re: I noticed a lot of this. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:39:25 PM 2020 Views
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~smug~ Elaine - 13/07/2010 02:09:15 PM 1974 Views
Indeed. Camilla - 13/07/2010 02:10:41 PM 2229 Views
This response implies the experience of being both?? StormCrow - 13/07/2010 03:23:29 PM 1969 Views
On Ginny: Kronin al'Sulc - 12/07/2010 10:36:47 PM 2106 Views
This was my interpretation too and why I didn't pay much attention to it at the time. *NM* StormCrow - 13/07/2010 02:53:08 PM 1015 Views
I've noticed a lot of the same things, probably because I've reread this book so many times... Cockatiel of Doom - 13/07/2010 04:45:28 AM 2239 Views
Re: I've noticed a lot of the same things, probably because I've reread this book so many times... Camilla - 13/07/2010 08:58:10 AM 1976 Views
So much (chapters 1-3) *spoilers* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:35:57 PM 2225 Views
Hm. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:38:05 PM 2048 Views
Re: Hm. Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:39:08 PM 2048 Views
Re: Hm. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:39:53 PM 1860 Views
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Re: Hm. Cockatiel of Doom - 13/07/2010 04:41:12 AM 1875 Views
Re: Hm. Camilla - 13/07/2010 08:55:09 AM 1937 Views
I missed the school roof thing this time around too! Good catch there. *NM* StormCrow - 12/07/2010 09:22:21 PM 1117 Views
The thing that tipped me off Camilla - 12/07/2010 09:53:01 PM 1970 Views
Imagine how easy his test would have been if he remembered he'd done it as a child! *NM* StormCrow - 13/07/2010 03:20:27 PM 1102 Views
You have to wonder why Hagrid and Dumbledore didn't suspect the truth about Sirius. Legolas - 26/07/2010 04:04:05 PM 1918 Views
I re-read a couple weeks ago, and I was highly amused by all the little things she worked in nossy - 14/07/2010 04:09:19 AM 2050 Views
Some stuff (chapters 4-11) Camilla - 14/07/2010 09:18:35 PM 2176 Views
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I can answer your consistency question! Cockatiel of Doom - 15/07/2010 02:35:42 AM 2120 Views
You are a clever cookie. Camilla - 15/07/2010 08:14:25 AM 1965 Views
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Ooh, yes. Cockatiel of Doom - 16/07/2010 12:19:13 AM 1814 Views
More stuff (chapters 12-17) Camilla - 15/07/2010 08:55:34 PM 1836 Views
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Tiny tiny inconsistency (?) in Ch. 12 Cockatiel of Doom - 17/07/2010 04:23:15 PM 2051 Views
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Re: Tiny tiny inconsistency (?) in Ch. 12 aria - 17/07/2010 07:12:39 PM 2202 Views
I like it. Thank you. Cockatiel of Doom - 20/07/2010 12:53:37 AM 2162 Views
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I have no idea *spoilers* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:47:58 PM 2157 Views
I agree... StormCrow - 12/07/2010 09:19:59 PM 2140 Views
I think it was mostly because it was a simple narrative with an identifiable protagnonist. Chas - 13/07/2010 11:59:06 PM 2031 Views
It has tons of things in it that every kid dreams of doing Deadsy - 14/07/2010 01:56:05 PM 2066 Views
Kid? Camilla - 14/07/2010 02:01:30 PM 2059 Views
so do I. I was just trying to act mature *NM* Deadsy - 14/07/2010 02:08:01 PM 1264 Views
Not even just the super stuff Deadsy mentions. nossy - 14/07/2010 04:38:46 PM 2190 Views
It's a simple, well-done little book. Nate - 12/07/2010 07:46:48 PM 2110 Views
you don't read instructions, do you? Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:49:24 PM 2116 Views
Heh. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:50:23 PM 2044 Views
Re: Heh. Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:51:40 PM 2042 Views
Awwww! Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:52:19 PM 2011 Views
Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:52:52 PM 2086 Views
Wha? Nate - 12/07/2010 07:50:44 PM 2118 Views
Re: Wha? Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:52:21 PM 2066 Views
Pff. Nate - 12/07/2010 07:54:54 PM 2058 Views
*NM* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:56:03 PM 1275 Views
When did you pick up this book? Dark Knight - 12/07/2010 11:30:46 PM 1992 Views
I was 10. Darth_Katie - 13/07/2010 04:13:44 AM 2136 Views
Ah book orders...man you just brought back nostalgic memories. I miss being a kid Dark Knight - 13/07/2010 04:42:12 AM 2191 Views
I was 16. Rebekah - 13/07/2010 08:24:02 AM 2063 Views
1999 Camilla - 13/07/2010 09:03:03 AM 2054 Views
What do you mean by adult version? aria - 13/07/2010 02:15:40 PM 2184 Views
Re: What do you mean by adult version? Camilla - 13/07/2010 02:17:40 PM 2057 Views
They started publishing copies with 'adult' covers so people wouldn't be caught out reading Chas - 13/07/2010 11:53:46 PM 2101 Views
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When Prisoner of Azkaban was a hardback. Elaine - 13/07/2010 02:23:57 PM 2084 Views
Got a boxed set for Christmas when Order of the Phoenix came out in hardback. StormCrow - 13/07/2010 03:06:42 PM 2116 Views
Just after Goblet of Fire was published. Chas - 13/07/2010 11:50:38 PM 2146 Views
Just before Goblet of Fire came out. nossy - 14/07/2010 04:04:21 AM 2086 Views
The first five were out, waited for HBP. Seriana Sedai - 14/07/2010 06:20:39 AM 2212 Views
You're making me want to talk about toadface Deadsy - 14/07/2010 02:06:25 PM 2103 Views
Sorry! Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 06:36:11 AM 2176 Views
Very early. Beginning of 1999, so it had just come out in the States. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/07/2010 08:54:06 AM 1305 Views
I held out quite awhile because I don't like "fads" Deadsy - 14/07/2010 02:04:37 PM 2040 Views
Lol! aria - 14/07/2010 08:54:47 PM 2138 Views
I did the same thing. Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 06:39:16 AM 2156 Views
Re: I did the same thing. Deadsy - 15/07/2010 10:01:04 AM 2316 Views
Re: I did the same thing. Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 05:44:28 PM 2230 Views
I would have, if I had known there was hype. I know I would have. nossy - 15/07/2010 03:28:50 PM 2216 Views
Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 05:47:01 PM 2213 Views
I think I was first! Monkey - 23/07/2010 07:05:08 PM 2162 Views
Aged 13 or 14 - a while before the first movie (which was Christmas 2001). *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2010 04:13:55 PM 1289 Views
Jesus Christ. Tor - 26/07/2010 05:04:46 PM 2280 Views
^That was me. *NM* Camilla - 26/07/2010 09:55:49 PM 1300 Views
I was going to ask if it was. *NM* Rebekah - 26/07/2010 10:04:59 PM 1247 Views
Aw. I was just feeling flattered as I didn't think Tor had read that many of my posts. *NM* Legolas - 27/07/2010 12:15:52 AM 1258 Views
Besides, you've met me, you should know how old I am. *NM* Legolas - 27/07/2010 12:16:23 AM 1307 Views
I am very bad at guessing age when I meet people in person Camilla - 27/07/2010 09:05:35 AM 2681 Views
Suggestions for the Re-read Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:33:25 AM 2108 Views
I like it so far Camilla - 13/07/2010 10:16:49 AM 2084 Views
I can try that for the next book. Rebekah - 13/07/2010 11:21:01 PM 2056 Views
This is my first official time participating and its been fun so far! StormCrow - 14/07/2010 05:16:48 PM 2033 Views
Unfortunately, no. (Silly me, pretending someone's still going to read all my posts... ) *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2010 04:20:35 PM 1273 Views
Can we get chapter discussions everyday? *NM* Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 06:40:30 PM 1223 Views
Inconsistencies Re: the Potter's death... fionwe1987 - 15/07/2010 05:16:45 AM 2438 Views
Because they were tricked? They considered Peter and Sirius to be brothers. Ghavrel - 15/07/2010 07:05:27 AM 2068 Views
That's nonsense.. fionwe1987 - 16/07/2010 01:08:40 AM 2017 Views
Take it up with Rowling, since you don't believe me. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/07/2010 08:19:58 AM 1164 Views
What's there to believe? fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 06:03:13 AM 2108 Views
Peter + Sirius = family. I don't know how to explain it more simply. *NM* Ghavrel - 18/07/2010 08:58:20 AM 1273 Views
Re: That's nonsense.. eucatastrophe - 16/07/2010 09:37:59 AM 2205 Views
Also Camilla - 16/07/2010 11:17:51 AM 2450 Views
You are correct! There is no inconsistency eucatastrophe - 17/07/2010 04:17:35 AM 2148 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 05:57:58 AM 1993 Views
But Camilla explained it! eucatastrophe - 18/07/2010 09:27:55 AM 2318 Views
Correction Camilla - 18/07/2010 10:58:59 AM 2131 Views
I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 05:42:18 PM 2018 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... Camilla - 18/07/2010 05:51:36 PM 2043 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 06:17:04 PM 2337 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... Camilla - 18/07/2010 06:28:27 PM 2035 Views
That bothers me too. aria - 18/07/2010 07:17:14 PM 2128 Views
Re: That bothers me too. Camilla - 18/07/2010 07:20:44 PM 1990 Views
Yet... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 07:47:56 PM 2048 Views
Re: Yet... Camilla - 18/07/2010 08:02:31 PM 2067 Views
To quote Dumbledore... fionwe1987 - 19/07/2010 05:57:23 AM 1976 Views
Again... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 07:35:10 PM 2285 Views
Re: Again... Camilla - 18/07/2010 08:00:55 PM 2077 Views
Re: Again... fionwe1987 - 19/07/2010 06:33:13 AM 2272 Views
Re: Again... Camilla - 20/07/2010 04:45:16 PM 2092 Views
Yet another load of bosh. fionwe1987 - 21/07/2010 01:00:14 AM 2069 Views
Then let's leave it. Camilla - 21/07/2010 06:48:45 AM 2201 Views
Re: Then let's leave it. fionwe1987 - 21/07/2010 04:19:35 PM 2070 Views
My two cents Seriana Sedai - 19/07/2010 06:11:30 AM 2169 Views
It was just the sort of things these two daredevils would do... DomA - 14/09/2010 12:11:20 AM 2550 Views
Re: It was just the sort of things these two daredevils would do... Camilla - 14/09/2010 09:20:46 AM 1963 Views
You have to wonder if that's actually true. Legolas - 26/07/2010 04:23:31 PM 2060 Views
Re: You have to wonder if that's actually true. Tor - 26/07/2010 05:06:43 PM 2260 Views
I don't know that I'd call it "see through Pettigrew"... Legolas - 26/07/2010 06:22:19 PM 2029 Views
^That was me, too. Oh, dear. Camilla - 26/07/2010 09:56:43 PM 2267 Views
Since Lily and James were unable to leave the house aria - 18/07/2010 07:14:21 PM 2064 Views
Re: Since Lily and James were unable to leave the house Tor - 26/07/2010 05:07:48 PM 2474 Views
^ And this, too, was me. Camilla - 26/07/2010 09:58:07 PM 2081 Views
Re: ^ And this, too, was me. Rebekah - 26/07/2010 10:05:41 PM 1981 Views
Camilla - 26/07/2010 10:07:36 PM 1885 Views
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