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It seemed to be that way with Harry Potter just when after it had started to get big. Tim Send a noteboard - 29/07/2010 09:44:53 AM
All the time I would hear people talking dismissively about Harry Potter, and patronisingly about anyone over the age of 12 who liked the books. Some of them had one good thing to say, which was "At least she's getting kids reading", but that was all, and it was always with the subtext "...but it would be much better if they read something decent. What a shame that in these illiterate days it takes something so infantile to get children reading anything".

I would always ask these people if they'd read Harry Potter, and the answer was invariably "Hell no, you'd never catch me reading such drivel". It astounded me that so many people didn't think they needed to read a book to have an opinion on it. It was just fashionable to show how élitist you were by disdaining the latest thing to become popular.

Sometimes I despair of humanity...
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Tolkien as a sacred cow of fantasy Larry - 28/07/2010 10:02:39 PM 1819 Views
Nonsense, at least in part Camilla - 28/07/2010 10:19:19 PM 1391 Views
I know there is a polite difference of opinion here Larry - 28/07/2010 10:40:42 PM 1189 Views
So we should judge the Iliad against modren fantasy novels? random thoughts - 29/07/2010 12:04:32 PM 1215 Views
i agree, and furthermore... LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:46:07 PM 1288 Views
Re: I know there is a polite difference of opinion here dacole - 29/07/2010 08:44:24 PM 1222 Views
Mno Camilla - 30/07/2010 09:07:18 AM 1307 Views
Have to agree. Seriana Sedai - 28/07/2010 11:38:37 PM 1280 Views
It seemed to be that way with Harry Potter just when after it had started to get big. Tim - 29/07/2010 09:44:53 AM 1096 Views
*cough* Twilight *cough* Ghavrel - 29/07/2010 10:15:13 AM 1172 Views
I was gonna mention that one too. Legolas - 29/07/2010 10:35:17 AM 1230 Views
Mmm. I read an interesting article actually... LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:24:04 PM 1037 Views
That's a fair point, I guess... Legolas - 29/07/2010 09:18:13 PM 1240 Views
mmm, except it's relevant to Bella too. LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 10:43:03 PM 1119 Views
That's my point, it's pretty much only relevant to Bella - only there is it shown prominently. *NM* Legolas - 29/07/2010 10:59:54 PM 534 Views
Of course, since she's the main character, it matters rather a lot, yes? *NM* Ghavrel - 30/07/2010 09:39:07 AM 526 Views
It's hardly tacit. I'm glad I've never read the things. Ghavrel - 30/07/2010 09:38:33 AM 1252 Views
Fair enough. Legolas - 30/07/2010 10:03:07 AM 1254 Views
Also: the writing is crap. Rebekah - 29/07/2010 01:04:12 PM 1174 Views
but plenty of us hate it after reading *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:24:35 PM 505 Views
How much do you have to read to form an opinion? random thoughts - 29/07/2010 12:23:28 PM 1191 Views
To the end Camilla - 29/07/2010 12:59:25 PM 1070 Views
my reading time is too scarce to think that way random thoughts - 29/07/2010 01:21:26 PM 1250 Views
I agree, but HP is a good example of something you should keep reading LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:27:20 PM 1250 Views
and I will random thoughts - 29/07/2010 09:13:03 PM 973 Views
that's fair enough then LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 10:43:57 PM 1037 Views
so I hear random thoughts - 29/07/2010 11:13:09 PM 1001 Views
Re: To the end dacole - 29/07/2010 08:49:06 PM 1121 Views
Re: To the end Camilla - 29/07/2010 10:34:44 PM 1049 Views
Re: How much do you have to read to form an opinion? Legolas - 29/07/2010 01:49:21 PM 1232 Views
The books mature as Harry does. You should really give it another shot *NM* Dark Knight - 29/07/2010 03:00:37 PM 607 Views
He doesn't want to, so why should he? It's not like you or he is losing anything now Lordling - 29/07/2010 06:15:58 PM 1063 Views
It is a case of the "someone is wrong on the internet" thing, only much older Camilla - 29/07/2010 06:27:07 PM 1002 Views
well you have not failed completely random thoughts - 29/07/2010 06:50:15 PM 1014 Views
Re: well you have not failed completely Camilla - 29/07/2010 06:53:38 PM 1058 Views
one quick question random thoughts - 29/07/2010 07:38:00 PM 1092 Views
Re: one quick question Camilla - 29/07/2010 07:42:27 PM 1134 Views
well I am not a big enough hypocrite to look down on verbosity random thoughts - 29/07/2010 08:30:56 PM 1027 Views
I have a new essay I want you to read Larry - 29/07/2010 07:44:40 PM 1159 Views
Re: I have a new essay I want you to read Camilla - 29/07/2010 10:42:05 PM 1119 Views
how many books do I have to read to get to the grown up books? random thoughts - 29/07/2010 06:42:37 PM 1029 Views
Book 3 is the beginning of the adult ones, imo. Rebekah - 29/07/2010 06:44:07 PM 1133 Views
Agreed, although, Camilla - 29/07/2010 06:54:14 PM 1097 Views
None of them are "geared towards grown ups" - it's still a YA series. Legolas - 29/07/2010 07:03:24 PM 1030 Views
They're all "light reading" for adults, geared towards YA readers. LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:29:01 PM 1016 Views
Re: It seemed to be that way with Harry Potter just when after it had started to get big. dacole - 29/07/2010 08:45:58 PM 1148 Views
it's not supposed to be on par with adult fantasy. LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:49:16 PM 1142 Views
I'd argue it's better than Jordan and others from a literary standpoint. Rebekah - 29/07/2010 09:14:07 PM 1087 Views
I have always thought Jordan had some interesting themes but they were often ignored... random thoughts - 29/07/2010 09:27:12 PM 1238 Views
lol. it's hard to fail with such low preliminary standards *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 10:46:07 PM 533 Views
good points, i bow to your wisdom LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 10:45:29 PM 1013 Views
Oh, agreed. Camilla - 30/07/2010 09:05:17 AM 1162 Views
Incidentall Camilla - 28/07/2010 10:39:52 PM 1129 Views
Ha! Larry - 28/07/2010 10:41:41 PM 1248 Views
Re: Ha! Camilla - 28/07/2010 10:45:38 PM 1135 Views
Ah Larry - 28/07/2010 10:49:22 PM 1175 Views
I agree Tolkien should not be a sacred cow or put on a pedestal overmuch. Legolas - 28/07/2010 11:10:37 PM 1222 Views
I can see your points there Larry - 28/07/2010 11:18:59 PM 1141 Views
I completely agree that there should be no sacred cows, and that applies to Tolkien. Tom - 28/07/2010 11:13:39 PM 1145 Views
I grow weary of people refusing to view LotR in context. Ghavrel - 28/07/2010 11:14:07 PM 1159 Views
all art forms have sacred cows random thoughts - 29/07/2010 01:38:26 AM 1225 Views
Yeah, it was the line about women waiting at home while their men went to war that made me laugh. Gher - 29/07/2010 06:44:34 PM 1098 Views
women deserve black lung too!! LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:35:17 PM 1009 Views
nah the smart ones do like my grandmother did random thoughts - 29/07/2010 09:15:14 PM 1074 Views
All Tolkien-haters are morons. fionwe1987 - 29/07/2010 03:30:27 AM 1404 Views
Disappointing. Werthead - 29/07/2010 04:41:34 AM 1168 Views
Re: Disappointing. Camilla - 29/07/2010 09:19:25 AM 1142 Views
Probably in the sense... Jacob - 29/07/2010 02:57:47 PM 1046 Views
Perhaps more of 'a complication' to good discussion. Werthead - 29/07/2010 08:28:59 PM 1012 Views
agreed. *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:32:36 PM 525 Views
I think you are ignoring the key fact that the Silmarillion was never published by Tolkien. Tom - 30/07/2010 01:48:14 PM 1410 Views
The Silmarillion was actually one of Tolkien's first works lyringlas - 30/07/2010 06:12:31 PM 1493 Views
No it wasn't. Tom - 30/07/2010 06:37:19 PM 1183 Views
Re: Tolkien as a sacred cow of fantasy dacole - 29/07/2010 08:42:04 PM 1191 Views
I find the Tolkien lovers to be obnoxious in their never ending masturbatory praise of his works. everynametaken - 30/07/2010 06:09:42 AM 1181 Views
This. *NM* Dan - 30/07/2010 07:43:24 PM 1257 Views
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