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Re: It seemed to be that way with Harry Potter just when after it had started to get big. dacole Send a noteboard - 29/07/2010 08:45:58 PM
You have to admit though the books were not up to par with works of adult fantasy I mean really even Jordan is better...

All the time I would hear people talking dismissively about Harry Potter, and patronisingly about anyone over the age of 12 who liked the books. Some of them had one good thing to say, which was "At least she's getting kids reading", but that was all, and it was always with the subtext "...but it would be much better if they read something decent. What a shame that in these illiterate days it takes something so infantile to get children reading anything".

I would always ask these people if they'd read Harry Potter, and the answer was invariably "Hell no, you'd never catch me reading such drivel". It astounded me that so many people didn't think they needed to read a book to have an opinion on it. It was just fashionable to show how élitist you were by disdaining the latest thing to become popular.

Sometimes I despair of humanity...
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Tolkien as a sacred cow of fantasy Larry - 28/07/2010 10:02:39 PM 1858 Views
Nonsense, at least in part Camilla - 28/07/2010 10:19:19 PM 1436 Views
I know there is a polite difference of opinion here Larry - 28/07/2010 10:40:42 PM 1230 Views
So we should judge the Iliad against modren fantasy novels? random thoughts - 29/07/2010 12:04:32 PM 1251 Views
i agree, and furthermore... LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:46:07 PM 1323 Views
Re: I know there is a polite difference of opinion here dacole - 29/07/2010 08:44:24 PM 1281 Views
Mno Camilla - 30/07/2010 09:07:18 AM 1342 Views
Have to agree. Seriana Sedai - 28/07/2010 11:38:37 PM 1327 Views
It seemed to be that way with Harry Potter just when after it had started to get big. Tim - 29/07/2010 09:44:53 AM 1134 Views
*cough* Twilight *cough* Ghavrel - 29/07/2010 10:15:13 AM 1214 Views
I was gonna mention that one too. Legolas - 29/07/2010 10:35:17 AM 1273 Views
Mmm. I read an interesting article actually... LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:24:04 PM 1081 Views
That's a fair point, I guess... Legolas - 29/07/2010 09:18:13 PM 1281 Views
mmm, except it's relevant to Bella too. LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 10:43:03 PM 1156 Views
That's my point, it's pretty much only relevant to Bella - only there is it shown prominently. *NM* Legolas - 29/07/2010 10:59:54 PM 551 Views
Of course, since she's the main character, it matters rather a lot, yes? *NM* Ghavrel - 30/07/2010 09:39:07 AM 543 Views
It's hardly tacit. I'm glad I've never read the things. Ghavrel - 30/07/2010 09:38:33 AM 1294 Views
Fair enough. Legolas - 30/07/2010 10:03:07 AM 1321 Views
Also: the writing is crap. Rebekah - 29/07/2010 01:04:12 PM 1221 Views
but plenty of us hate it after reading *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:24:35 PM 522 Views
How much do you have to read to form an opinion? random thoughts - 29/07/2010 12:23:28 PM 1234 Views
To the end Camilla - 29/07/2010 12:59:25 PM 1117 Views
my reading time is too scarce to think that way random thoughts - 29/07/2010 01:21:26 PM 1290 Views
I agree, but HP is a good example of something you should keep reading LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:27:20 PM 1289 Views
and I will random thoughts - 29/07/2010 09:13:03 PM 1009 Views
that's fair enough then LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 10:43:57 PM 1074 Views
so I hear random thoughts - 29/07/2010 11:13:09 PM 1042 Views
Re: To the end dacole - 29/07/2010 08:49:06 PM 1161 Views
Re: To the end Camilla - 29/07/2010 10:34:44 PM 1087 Views
Re: How much do you have to read to form an opinion? Legolas - 29/07/2010 01:49:21 PM 1279 Views
The books mature as Harry does. You should really give it another shot *NM* Dark Knight - 29/07/2010 03:00:37 PM 624 Views
He doesn't want to, so why should he? It's not like you or he is losing anything now Lordling - 29/07/2010 06:15:58 PM 1098 Views
It is a case of the "someone is wrong on the internet" thing, only much older Camilla - 29/07/2010 06:27:07 PM 1045 Views
well you have not failed completely random thoughts - 29/07/2010 06:50:15 PM 1047 Views
Re: well you have not failed completely Camilla - 29/07/2010 06:53:38 PM 1106 Views
one quick question random thoughts - 29/07/2010 07:38:00 PM 1137 Views
Re: one quick question Camilla - 29/07/2010 07:42:27 PM 1169 Views
well I am not a big enough hypocrite to look down on verbosity random thoughts - 29/07/2010 08:30:56 PM 1071 Views
I have a new essay I want you to read Larry - 29/07/2010 07:44:40 PM 1203 Views
Re: I have a new essay I want you to read Camilla - 29/07/2010 10:42:05 PM 1159 Views
how many books do I have to read to get to the grown up books? random thoughts - 29/07/2010 06:42:37 PM 1063 Views
Book 3 is the beginning of the adult ones, imo. Rebekah - 29/07/2010 06:44:07 PM 1168 Views
Agreed, although, Camilla - 29/07/2010 06:54:14 PM 1132 Views
None of them are "geared towards grown ups" - it's still a YA series. Legolas - 29/07/2010 07:03:24 PM 1082 Views
They're all "light reading" for adults, geared towards YA readers. LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:29:01 PM 1059 Views
Re: It seemed to be that way with Harry Potter just when after it had started to get big. dacole - 29/07/2010 08:45:58 PM 1188 Views
it's not supposed to be on par with adult fantasy. LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:49:16 PM 1181 Views
I'd argue it's better than Jordan and others from a literary standpoint. Rebekah - 29/07/2010 09:14:07 PM 1124 Views
I have always thought Jordan had some interesting themes but they were often ignored... random thoughts - 29/07/2010 09:27:12 PM 1279 Views
lol. it's hard to fail with such low preliminary standards *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 10:46:07 PM 547 Views
good points, i bow to your wisdom LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 10:45:29 PM 1056 Views
Oh, agreed. Camilla - 30/07/2010 09:05:17 AM 1201 Views
Incidentall Camilla - 28/07/2010 10:39:52 PM 1175 Views
Ha! Larry - 28/07/2010 10:41:41 PM 1306 Views
Re: Ha! Camilla - 28/07/2010 10:45:38 PM 1179 Views
Ah Larry - 28/07/2010 10:49:22 PM 1217 Views
I agree Tolkien should not be a sacred cow or put on a pedestal overmuch. Legolas - 28/07/2010 11:10:37 PM 1265 Views
I can see your points there Larry - 28/07/2010 11:18:59 PM 1191 Views
I completely agree that there should be no sacred cows, and that applies to Tolkien. Tom - 28/07/2010 11:13:39 PM 1187 Views
I grow weary of people refusing to view LotR in context. Ghavrel - 28/07/2010 11:14:07 PM 1206 Views
all art forms have sacred cows random thoughts - 29/07/2010 01:38:26 AM 1268 Views
Yeah, it was the line about women waiting at home while their men went to war that made me laugh. Gher - 29/07/2010 06:44:34 PM 1140 Views
women deserve black lung too!! LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:35:17 PM 1047 Views
nah the smart ones do like my grandmother did random thoughts - 29/07/2010 09:15:14 PM 1125 Views
All Tolkien-haters are morons. fionwe1987 - 29/07/2010 03:30:27 AM 1443 Views
Disappointing. Werthead - 29/07/2010 04:41:34 AM 1207 Views
Re: Disappointing. Camilla - 29/07/2010 09:19:25 AM 1181 Views
Probably in the sense... Jacob - 29/07/2010 02:57:47 PM 1080 Views
Perhaps more of 'a complication' to good discussion. Werthead - 29/07/2010 08:28:59 PM 1051 Views
agreed. *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:32:36 PM 540 Views
I think you are ignoring the key fact that the Silmarillion was never published by Tolkien. Tom - 30/07/2010 01:48:14 PM 1447 Views
The Silmarillion was actually one of Tolkien's first works lyringlas - 30/07/2010 06:12:31 PM 1542 Views
No it wasn't. Tom - 30/07/2010 06:37:19 PM 1224 Views
Re: Tolkien as a sacred cow of fantasy dacole - 29/07/2010 08:42:04 PM 1227 Views
I find the Tolkien lovers to be obnoxious in their never ending masturbatory praise of his works. everynametaken - 30/07/2010 06:09:42 AM 1226 Views
This. *NM* Dan - 30/07/2010 07:43:24 PM 1299 Views
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