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i agree, and furthermore... LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 29/07/2010 08:46:07 PM
just because a book no longer fits the contemporary preferences does not mean it's suddenly "bad" and that no one should enjoy it. I mean, to take another Homer example, look at Odysseus. He's really is a one-dimensional character who doesn't develop an ounce throughout the entire story. As far as depth of the actual story, there's some, but certainly no more than a better (not even best, better) fantasy novel.

So are we now to toss Homer out the window as an author? Because his stories no longer fit the contemporary preferences of a small percentage of the population?

Stories need to be analyzed in context, not only contemporary parameters, and people really need to learn that their analysis is only an opinion.
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Tolkien as a sacred cow of fantasy Larry - 28/07/2010 10:02:39 PM 1838 Views
Nonsense, at least in part Camilla - 28/07/2010 10:19:19 PM 1417 Views
I know there is a polite difference of opinion here Larry - 28/07/2010 10:40:42 PM 1216 Views
So we should judge the Iliad against modren fantasy novels? random thoughts - 29/07/2010 12:04:32 PM 1233 Views
i agree, and furthermore... LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:46:07 PM 1307 Views
Re: I know there is a polite difference of opinion here dacole - 29/07/2010 08:44:24 PM 1249 Views
Mno Camilla - 30/07/2010 09:07:18 AM 1326 Views
Have to agree. Seriana Sedai - 28/07/2010 11:38:37 PM 1307 Views
It seemed to be that way with Harry Potter just when after it had started to get big. Tim - 29/07/2010 09:44:53 AM 1118 Views
*cough* Twilight *cough* Ghavrel - 29/07/2010 10:15:13 AM 1197 Views
I was gonna mention that one too. Legolas - 29/07/2010 10:35:17 AM 1256 Views
Mmm. I read an interesting article actually... LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:24:04 PM 1061 Views
That's a fair point, I guess... Legolas - 29/07/2010 09:18:13 PM 1263 Views
mmm, except it's relevant to Bella too. LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 10:43:03 PM 1138 Views
That's my point, it's pretty much only relevant to Bella - only there is it shown prominently. *NM* Legolas - 29/07/2010 10:59:54 PM 542 Views
Of course, since she's the main character, it matters rather a lot, yes? *NM* Ghavrel - 30/07/2010 09:39:07 AM 531 Views
It's hardly tacit. I'm glad I've never read the things. Ghavrel - 30/07/2010 09:38:33 AM 1272 Views
Fair enough. Legolas - 30/07/2010 10:03:07 AM 1273 Views
Also: the writing is crap. Rebekah - 29/07/2010 01:04:12 PM 1199 Views
but plenty of us hate it after reading *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:24:35 PM 513 Views
How much do you have to read to form an opinion? random thoughts - 29/07/2010 12:23:28 PM 1212 Views
To the end Camilla - 29/07/2010 12:59:25 PM 1096 Views
my reading time is too scarce to think that way random thoughts - 29/07/2010 01:21:26 PM 1274 Views
I agree, but HP is a good example of something you should keep reading LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:27:20 PM 1270 Views
and I will random thoughts - 29/07/2010 09:13:03 PM 995 Views
that's fair enough then LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 10:43:57 PM 1057 Views
so I hear random thoughts - 29/07/2010 11:13:09 PM 1025 Views
Re: To the end dacole - 29/07/2010 08:49:06 PM 1141 Views
Re: To the end Camilla - 29/07/2010 10:34:44 PM 1071 Views
Re: How much do you have to read to form an opinion? Legolas - 29/07/2010 01:49:21 PM 1254 Views
The books mature as Harry does. You should really give it another shot *NM* Dark Knight - 29/07/2010 03:00:37 PM 613 Views
He doesn't want to, so why should he? It's not like you or he is losing anything now Lordling - 29/07/2010 06:15:58 PM 1083 Views
It is a case of the "someone is wrong on the internet" thing, only much older Camilla - 29/07/2010 06:27:07 PM 1020 Views
well you have not failed completely random thoughts - 29/07/2010 06:50:15 PM 1032 Views
Re: well you have not failed completely Camilla - 29/07/2010 06:53:38 PM 1084 Views
one quick question random thoughts - 29/07/2010 07:38:00 PM 1120 Views
Re: one quick question Camilla - 29/07/2010 07:42:27 PM 1154 Views
well I am not a big enough hypocrite to look down on verbosity random thoughts - 29/07/2010 08:30:56 PM 1048 Views
I have a new essay I want you to read Larry - 29/07/2010 07:44:40 PM 1185 Views
Re: I have a new essay I want you to read Camilla - 29/07/2010 10:42:05 PM 1140 Views
how many books do I have to read to get to the grown up books? random thoughts - 29/07/2010 06:42:37 PM 1049 Views
Book 3 is the beginning of the adult ones, imo. Rebekah - 29/07/2010 06:44:07 PM 1149 Views
Agreed, although, Camilla - 29/07/2010 06:54:14 PM 1118 Views
None of them are "geared towards grown ups" - it's still a YA series. Legolas - 29/07/2010 07:03:24 PM 1050 Views
They're all "light reading" for adults, geared towards YA readers. LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:29:01 PM 1040 Views
Re: It seemed to be that way with Harry Potter just when after it had started to get big. dacole - 29/07/2010 08:45:58 PM 1170 Views
it's not supposed to be on par with adult fantasy. LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:49:16 PM 1164 Views
I'd argue it's better than Jordan and others from a literary standpoint. Rebekah - 29/07/2010 09:14:07 PM 1110 Views
I have always thought Jordan had some interesting themes but they were often ignored... random thoughts - 29/07/2010 09:27:12 PM 1261 Views
lol. it's hard to fail with such low preliminary standards *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 10:46:07 PM 542 Views
good points, i bow to your wisdom LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 10:45:29 PM 1036 Views
Oh, agreed. Camilla - 30/07/2010 09:05:17 AM 1186 Views
Incidentall Camilla - 28/07/2010 10:39:52 PM 1155 Views
Ha! Larry - 28/07/2010 10:41:41 PM 1275 Views
Re: Ha! Camilla - 28/07/2010 10:45:38 PM 1161 Views
Ah Larry - 28/07/2010 10:49:22 PM 1200 Views
I agree Tolkien should not be a sacred cow or put on a pedestal overmuch. Legolas - 28/07/2010 11:10:37 PM 1245 Views
I can see your points there Larry - 28/07/2010 11:18:59 PM 1168 Views
I completely agree that there should be no sacred cows, and that applies to Tolkien. Tom - 28/07/2010 11:13:39 PM 1168 Views
I grow weary of people refusing to view LotR in context. Ghavrel - 28/07/2010 11:14:07 PM 1185 Views
all art forms have sacred cows random thoughts - 29/07/2010 01:38:26 AM 1253 Views
Yeah, it was the line about women waiting at home while their men went to war that made me laugh. Gher - 29/07/2010 06:44:34 PM 1120 Views
women deserve black lung too!! LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:35:17 PM 1029 Views
nah the smart ones do like my grandmother did random thoughts - 29/07/2010 09:15:14 PM 1099 Views
All Tolkien-haters are morons. fionwe1987 - 29/07/2010 03:30:27 AM 1423 Views
Disappointing. Werthead - 29/07/2010 04:41:34 AM 1188 Views
Re: Disappointing. Camilla - 29/07/2010 09:19:25 AM 1163 Views
Probably in the sense... Jacob - 29/07/2010 02:57:47 PM 1065 Views
Perhaps more of 'a complication' to good discussion. Werthead - 29/07/2010 08:28:59 PM 1033 Views
agreed. *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:32:36 PM 532 Views
I think you are ignoring the key fact that the Silmarillion was never published by Tolkien. Tom - 30/07/2010 01:48:14 PM 1430 Views
The Silmarillion was actually one of Tolkien's first works lyringlas - 30/07/2010 06:12:31 PM 1524 Views
No it wasn't. Tom - 30/07/2010 06:37:19 PM 1205 Views
Re: Tolkien as a sacred cow of fantasy dacole - 29/07/2010 08:42:04 PM 1211 Views
I find the Tolkien lovers to be obnoxious in their never ending masturbatory praise of his works. everynametaken - 30/07/2010 06:09:42 AM 1209 Views
This. *NM* Dan - 30/07/2010 07:43:24 PM 1277 Views
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