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I find the Tolkien lovers to be obnoxious in their never ending masturbatory praise of his works. everynametaken Send a noteboard - 30/07/2010 06:09:42 AM
A friend of mine, Paul Smith, wrote this essay earlier today in response to an earlier essay of mine on genre sacred cows and discussion of such. Since he has a few links to related discussions, I suggest you just click on the link and read his arguments.


I read his books as a kid and then moved on. I remember liking them but I never had a desire to learn Elven languages or dress up as Gollum (sp) for Halloween and I never felt the need to put him on a pedestal of any sort even though I can definitely appreciate the effort he put into his books and their importance in the history of the fantasy genre. I respect Tolkien but I get seriously annoyed be his fans at times when they turn him into some kind of flawless artist of pen and paper. Of course, just as dumb are people who want to overly criticize his flaws in some attempt to show how awesome their skills at critiquing literature are.
But wine was the great assassin of both tradition and propriety...
-Brandon Sanderson, The Way of Kings
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Tolkien as a sacred cow of fantasy - 28/07/2010 10:02:39 PM 1917 Views
Nonsense, at least in part - 28/07/2010 10:19:19 PM 1522 Views
I know there is a polite difference of opinion here - 28/07/2010 10:40:42 PM 1290 Views
So we should judge the Iliad against modren fantasy novels? - 29/07/2010 12:04:32 PM 1321 Views
i agree, and furthermore... - 29/07/2010 08:46:07 PM 1392 Views
Re: I know there is a polite difference of opinion here - 29/07/2010 08:44:24 PM 1360 Views
Mno - 30/07/2010 09:07:18 AM 1405 Views
Have to agree. - 28/07/2010 11:38:37 PM 1402 Views
It seemed to be that way with Harry Potter just when after it had started to get big. - 29/07/2010 09:44:53 AM 1189 Views
*cough* Twilight *cough* - 29/07/2010 10:15:13 AM 1273 Views
I was gonna mention that one too. - 29/07/2010 10:35:17 AM 1366 Views
Mmm. I read an interesting article actually... - 29/07/2010 08:24:04 PM 1142 Views
That's a fair point, I guess... - 29/07/2010 09:18:13 PM 1379 Views
It's hardly tacit. I'm glad I've never read the things. - 30/07/2010 09:38:33 AM 1354 Views
Fair enough. - 30/07/2010 10:03:07 AM 1388 Views
Also: the writing is crap. - 29/07/2010 01:04:12 PM 1309 Views
but plenty of us hate it after reading *NM* - 29/07/2010 08:24:35 PM 552 Views
How much do you have to read to form an opinion? - 29/07/2010 12:23:28 PM 1292 Views
To the end - 29/07/2010 12:59:25 PM 1188 Views
my reading time is too scarce to think that way - 29/07/2010 01:21:26 PM 1350 Views
I agree, but HP is a good example of something you should keep reading - 29/07/2010 08:27:20 PM 1366 Views
and I will - 29/07/2010 09:13:03 PM 1097 Views
that's fair enough then - 29/07/2010 10:43:57 PM 1136 Views
so I hear - 29/07/2010 11:13:09 PM 1099 Views
Re: To the end - 29/07/2010 08:49:06 PM 1220 Views
Re: To the end - 29/07/2010 10:34:44 PM 1143 Views
Re: How much do you have to read to form an opinion? - 29/07/2010 01:49:21 PM 1352 Views
The books mature as Harry does. You should really give it another shot *NM* - 29/07/2010 03:00:37 PM 653 Views
He doesn't want to, so why should he? It's not like you or he is losing anything now - 29/07/2010 06:15:58 PM 1159 Views
It is a case of the "someone is wrong on the internet" thing, only much older - 29/07/2010 06:27:07 PM 1139 Views
well you have not failed completely - 29/07/2010 06:50:15 PM 1120 Views
Re: well you have not failed completely - 29/07/2010 06:53:38 PM 1160 Views
one quick question - 29/07/2010 07:38:00 PM 1189 Views
Re: one quick question - 29/07/2010 07:42:27 PM 1225 Views
well I am not a big enough hypocrite to look down on verbosity - 29/07/2010 08:30:56 PM 1126 Views
I have a new essay I want you to read - 29/07/2010 07:44:40 PM 1261 Views
Re: I have a new essay I want you to read - 29/07/2010 10:42:05 PM 1217 Views
how many books do I have to read to get to the grown up books? - 29/07/2010 06:42:37 PM 1122 Views
Book 3 is the beginning of the adult ones, imo. - 29/07/2010 06:44:07 PM 1229 Views
Agreed, although, - 29/07/2010 06:54:14 PM 1200 Views
None of them are "geared towards grown ups" - it's still a YA series. - 29/07/2010 07:03:24 PM 1140 Views
They're all "light reading" for adults, geared towards YA readers. - 29/07/2010 08:29:01 PM 1129 Views
Re: It seemed to be that way with Harry Potter just when after it had started to get big. - 29/07/2010 08:45:58 PM 1259 Views
it's not supposed to be on par with adult fantasy. - 29/07/2010 08:49:16 PM 1236 Views
I'd argue it's better than Jordan and others from a literary standpoint. - 29/07/2010 09:14:07 PM 1186 Views
I have always thought Jordan had some interesting themes but they were often ignored... - 29/07/2010 09:27:12 PM 1356 Views
lol. it's hard to fail with such low preliminary standards *NM* - 29/07/2010 10:46:07 PM 593 Views
good points, i bow to your wisdom - 29/07/2010 10:45:29 PM 1142 Views
Oh, agreed. - 30/07/2010 09:05:17 AM 1260 Views
Incidentall - 28/07/2010 10:39:52 PM 1236 Views
Ha! - 28/07/2010 10:41:41 PM 1388 Views
Re: Ha! - 28/07/2010 10:45:38 PM 1231 Views
Ah - 28/07/2010 10:49:22 PM 1277 Views
I agree Tolkien should not be a sacred cow or put on a pedestal overmuch. - 28/07/2010 11:10:37 PM 1331 Views
I can see your points there - 28/07/2010 11:18:59 PM 1264 Views
I grow weary of people refusing to view LotR in context. - 28/07/2010 11:14:07 PM 1261 Views
all art forms have sacred cows - 29/07/2010 01:38:26 AM 1325 Views
Yeah, it was the line about women waiting at home while their men went to war that made me laugh. - 29/07/2010 06:44:34 PM 1195 Views
women deserve black lung too!! - 29/07/2010 08:35:17 PM 1106 Views
nah the smart ones do like my grandmother did - 29/07/2010 09:15:14 PM 1180 Views
All Tolkien-haters are morons. - 29/07/2010 03:30:27 AM 1498 Views
Disappointing. - 29/07/2010 04:41:34 AM 1299 Views
Re: Disappointing. - 29/07/2010 09:19:25 AM 1255 Views
Probably in the sense... - 29/07/2010 02:57:47 PM 1143 Views
Perhaps more of 'a complication' to good discussion. - 29/07/2010 08:28:59 PM 1112 Views
agreed. *NM* - 29/07/2010 08:32:36 PM 570 Views
I think you are ignoring the key fact that the Silmarillion was never published by Tolkien. - 30/07/2010 01:48:14 PM 1505 Views
The Silmarillion was actually one of Tolkien's first works - 30/07/2010 06:12:31 PM 1622 Views
No it wasn't. - 30/07/2010 06:37:19 PM 1304 Views
Re: Tolkien as a sacred cow of fantasy - 29/07/2010 08:42:04 PM 1301 Views
I find the Tolkien lovers to be obnoxious in their never ending masturbatory praise of his works. - 30/07/2010 06:09:42 AM 1326 Views
This. *NM* - 30/07/2010 07:43:24 PM 1378 Views

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