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It's hardly tacit. I'm glad I've never read the things. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 30/07/2010 09:38:33 AM
The pieces I have read, though, have been atrocious, and I've talked enough with people who have read the books that I'm fairly confident I'm not missing context.
"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
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Tolkien as a sacred cow of fantasy Larry - 28/07/2010 10:02:39 PM 1838 Views
Nonsense, at least in part Camilla - 28/07/2010 10:19:19 PM 1417 Views
I know there is a polite difference of opinion here Larry - 28/07/2010 10:40:42 PM 1216 Views
So we should judge the Iliad against modren fantasy novels? random thoughts - 29/07/2010 12:04:32 PM 1233 Views
i agree, and furthermore... LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:46:07 PM 1307 Views
Re: I know there is a polite difference of opinion here dacole - 29/07/2010 08:44:24 PM 1249 Views
Mno Camilla - 30/07/2010 09:07:18 AM 1326 Views
Have to agree. Seriana Sedai - 28/07/2010 11:38:37 PM 1307 Views
It seemed to be that way with Harry Potter just when after it had started to get big. Tim - 29/07/2010 09:44:53 AM 1118 Views
*cough* Twilight *cough* Ghavrel - 29/07/2010 10:15:13 AM 1197 Views
I was gonna mention that one too. Legolas - 29/07/2010 10:35:17 AM 1256 Views
Mmm. I read an interesting article actually... LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:24:04 PM 1061 Views
That's a fair point, I guess... Legolas - 29/07/2010 09:18:13 PM 1263 Views
mmm, except it's relevant to Bella too. LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 10:43:03 PM 1138 Views
That's my point, it's pretty much only relevant to Bella - only there is it shown prominently. *NM* Legolas - 29/07/2010 10:59:54 PM 542 Views
Of course, since she's the main character, it matters rather a lot, yes? *NM* Ghavrel - 30/07/2010 09:39:07 AM 531 Views
It's hardly tacit. I'm glad I've never read the things. Ghavrel - 30/07/2010 09:38:33 AM 1273 Views
Fair enough. Legolas - 30/07/2010 10:03:07 AM 1273 Views
Also: the writing is crap. Rebekah - 29/07/2010 01:04:12 PM 1199 Views
but plenty of us hate it after reading *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:24:35 PM 513 Views
How much do you have to read to form an opinion? random thoughts - 29/07/2010 12:23:28 PM 1212 Views
To the end Camilla - 29/07/2010 12:59:25 PM 1096 Views
my reading time is too scarce to think that way random thoughts - 29/07/2010 01:21:26 PM 1274 Views
I agree, but HP is a good example of something you should keep reading LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:27:20 PM 1270 Views
and I will random thoughts - 29/07/2010 09:13:03 PM 995 Views
that's fair enough then LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 10:43:57 PM 1058 Views
so I hear random thoughts - 29/07/2010 11:13:09 PM 1025 Views
Re: To the end dacole - 29/07/2010 08:49:06 PM 1142 Views
Re: To the end Camilla - 29/07/2010 10:34:44 PM 1071 Views
Re: How much do you have to read to form an opinion? Legolas - 29/07/2010 01:49:21 PM 1254 Views
The books mature as Harry does. You should really give it another shot *NM* Dark Knight - 29/07/2010 03:00:37 PM 613 Views
He doesn't want to, so why should he? It's not like you or he is losing anything now Lordling - 29/07/2010 06:15:58 PM 1083 Views
It is a case of the "someone is wrong on the internet" thing, only much older Camilla - 29/07/2010 06:27:07 PM 1021 Views
well you have not failed completely random thoughts - 29/07/2010 06:50:15 PM 1032 Views
Re: well you have not failed completely Camilla - 29/07/2010 06:53:38 PM 1084 Views
one quick question random thoughts - 29/07/2010 07:38:00 PM 1120 Views
Re: one quick question Camilla - 29/07/2010 07:42:27 PM 1154 Views
well I am not a big enough hypocrite to look down on verbosity random thoughts - 29/07/2010 08:30:56 PM 1048 Views
I have a new essay I want you to read Larry - 29/07/2010 07:44:40 PM 1185 Views
Re: I have a new essay I want you to read Camilla - 29/07/2010 10:42:05 PM 1140 Views
how many books do I have to read to get to the grown up books? random thoughts - 29/07/2010 06:42:37 PM 1049 Views
Book 3 is the beginning of the adult ones, imo. Rebekah - 29/07/2010 06:44:07 PM 1150 Views
Agreed, although, Camilla - 29/07/2010 06:54:14 PM 1118 Views
None of them are "geared towards grown ups" - it's still a YA series. Legolas - 29/07/2010 07:03:24 PM 1050 Views
They're all "light reading" for adults, geared towards YA readers. LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:29:01 PM 1040 Views
Re: It seemed to be that way with Harry Potter just when after it had started to get big. dacole - 29/07/2010 08:45:58 PM 1170 Views
it's not supposed to be on par with adult fantasy. LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:49:16 PM 1164 Views
I'd argue it's better than Jordan and others from a literary standpoint. Rebekah - 29/07/2010 09:14:07 PM 1110 Views
I have always thought Jordan had some interesting themes but they were often ignored... random thoughts - 29/07/2010 09:27:12 PM 1261 Views
lol. it's hard to fail with such low preliminary standards *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 10:46:07 PM 542 Views
good points, i bow to your wisdom LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 10:45:29 PM 1036 Views
Oh, agreed. Camilla - 30/07/2010 09:05:17 AM 1186 Views
Incidentall Camilla - 28/07/2010 10:39:52 PM 1155 Views
Ha! Larry - 28/07/2010 10:41:41 PM 1275 Views
Re: Ha! Camilla - 28/07/2010 10:45:38 PM 1161 Views
Ah Larry - 28/07/2010 10:49:22 PM 1200 Views
I agree Tolkien should not be a sacred cow or put on a pedestal overmuch. Legolas - 28/07/2010 11:10:37 PM 1245 Views
I can see your points there Larry - 28/07/2010 11:18:59 PM 1168 Views
I completely agree that there should be no sacred cows, and that applies to Tolkien. Tom - 28/07/2010 11:13:39 PM 1168 Views
I grow weary of people refusing to view LotR in context. Ghavrel - 28/07/2010 11:14:07 PM 1185 Views
all art forms have sacred cows random thoughts - 29/07/2010 01:38:26 AM 1253 Views
Yeah, it was the line about women waiting at home while their men went to war that made me laugh. Gher - 29/07/2010 06:44:34 PM 1120 Views
women deserve black lung too!! LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:35:17 PM 1029 Views
nah the smart ones do like my grandmother did random thoughts - 29/07/2010 09:15:14 PM 1100 Views
All Tolkien-haters are morons. fionwe1987 - 29/07/2010 03:30:27 AM 1423 Views
Disappointing. Werthead - 29/07/2010 04:41:34 AM 1188 Views
Re: Disappointing. Camilla - 29/07/2010 09:19:25 AM 1163 Views
Probably in the sense... Jacob - 29/07/2010 02:57:47 PM 1065 Views
Perhaps more of 'a complication' to good discussion. Werthead - 29/07/2010 08:28:59 PM 1033 Views
agreed. *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:32:36 PM 532 Views
I think you are ignoring the key fact that the Silmarillion was never published by Tolkien. Tom - 30/07/2010 01:48:14 PM 1430 Views
The Silmarillion was actually one of Tolkien's first works lyringlas - 30/07/2010 06:12:31 PM 1524 Views
No it wasn't. Tom - 30/07/2010 06:37:19 PM 1205 Views
Re: Tolkien as a sacred cow of fantasy dacole - 29/07/2010 08:42:04 PM 1211 Views
I find the Tolkien lovers to be obnoxious in their never ending masturbatory praise of his works. everynametaken - 30/07/2010 06:09:42 AM 1209 Views
This. *NM* Dan - 30/07/2010 07:43:24 PM 1277 Views
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