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Re: The Quidditch Cup, and anything else you want to discuss. Camilla Send a noteboard - 03/08/2010 05:57:06 PM
I was always very annoyed that they cut Quidditch from the third movie. It always seemed to me that this was the one book where there was any point to the Quidditch storyline (I am wrong, of course -- they were less easy to excise in the earlier films) -- I cannot quite forgive them for taking away Wood's obsession and triumph.

Agreed. They made it even worse by cutting the World Cup Final from the fourth movie, although there at least it makes some sense as it would take the pace out of things. I think this is largely thanks to Cuaron not being so interested in it and wanting to focus more on the teenagers and their feelings... he's done some excellent stuff, including the aforementioned Slap, but yeah, it's a shame to lose the Quidditch.


If Cuaron had not given us David Thewlis as Lupin, there would have been no reason to watch that film. I have never quite forgiven him. The punch was actually an accident, apparently. Malfoy (or, rather, the boy who plays Malfoy) was actually hit, but because he kept playing it was the best take.

The moment when Harry sends the patronus at Malfoy is highly satisfying. Compound joy in that the good are rewarded (victory) and the wicked punished.

Yeah, this is a short return to children's book land, I would say... the icing on the cake, making things as perfect for a short moment as at the end of book one with Dumbledore handing out those points (and, as Jonte argued, completely messing up the concept of the House Cup in the process).


Yes, I suppose this book has a liminal tendency of sorts: it keeps setting up happy endings and then twarthing them, but at the same time it cushions the scary places and provides security as well. It is definitely moving towards the scary, dangerous settings of the next books, setting up the beginning of that and promising danger, but it has yet to leave the cosy happy behind.

But the final paragraph of the chapter always makes me cringe. It is so off.

About the Dementors? I guess... she just wanted to make clear he was on a high, I suppose.


Yes. It is just... the wording, I think. It reads like a pretentious 14-yearold. It bugs me. Her writing is usually better than that at this point.

The Marauders' Map's replies to Snape are delightful. It must be based in the real Marauders' feelings, a reaction to his name based in memories from school? Would it have reacted like that to someone Lupin, James and Sirius did not know? If, say, Umbridge or Lockhart tried? It reminds me of Riddle's diary. The connection was made explicitly earlier, of course, when Harry remembered Mrs Weasley's comments on things thinking for themselves when you could not see where they kept their brains. It suggests the marauders have happened upon the same type of magic that Riddle used in creating the diary, which again suggests that the memory that Harry encounters is not down to the diary being a horcrux. I think.

As I recall Dumbledore's comments in book six, what is most Horcrux about the diary is that Riddle can project himself out of it. The communicating with him through the diary isn't so unusual, evidently, and I agree that the Marauders must've done something similar. The map definitely wouldn't have reacted like that to others.


Ah. That makes sense.

Also, Snape must have recognised the nicknames. Why else would he have called Lupin. He therefore knows this is not a Zonko product. And that Lupin is lying to him.

Yeah, there are a few times in the books, including here, where you have to say Harry gets off strangely lightly when you expect Snape to throw the book at him. Perhaps Snape is afraid Dumbledore will overrule him if he can't genuinely prove Harry is guilty. Or perhaps he just isn't as much of an ass as he is in the classroom, where he uses his mean wit and unfair punishments to keep order and discipline (we've all had teachers like that, I'm sure).


Yes, this is another of those cushioning moments, I suppose. Lupin is very good for those.
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spoilers in headlines, mister! - 03/08/2010 05:43:22 PM 1788 Views
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killing - 05/08/2010 02:48:33 PM 1644 Views
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And for the last time in this book... characters? *NM* - 06/08/2010 05:03:30 PM 969 Views
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Plotting and writing. - 06/08/2010 05:04:14 PM 1605 Views
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And everything else you noticed and want to comment on. *NM* - 06/08/2010 05:04:46 PM 1001 Views
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Character development. - 28/07/2010 01:17:20 PM 1683 Views
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How good a book is this - compared to the rest of the series, and compared to YA books in general? *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:19:06 PM 993 Views
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Absolutely. - 05/08/2010 08:15:20 PM 1837 Views
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Oh, got it. - 02/08/2010 03:12:47 PM 1763 Views
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The problem came down to actually doing the work. - 02/08/2010 03:54:21 PM 1721 Views
I never had any. - 03/08/2010 03:25:07 PM 1667 Views
I'm finding this one more difficult to discuss. - 03/08/2010 05:38:01 PM 1729 Views
Apparently you are not alone in that. - 03/08/2010 05:48:13 PM 1872 Views
I suppose this is more or less the right place for this. - 04/08/2010 11:59:45 PM 1808 Views
Hehehe - 05/08/2010 12:14:38 AM 1740 Views
I had totally forgotten about that choir and the Ray Bradbury reference. - 05/08/2010 12:37:09 AM 1653 Views
Okay, so possibly a Shakespeare reference also used by Bradbury. Whatever. *NM* - 05/08/2010 12:37:56 AM 909 Views
Possibly? It's the witches in Macbeth. *NM* - 05/08/2010 08:36:20 AM 897 Views
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Suggestions for the re-read. - 28/07/2010 06:14:49 PM 1862 Views
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I considered that, but it seemed overly non-trusting, and nobody has posted in them yet? *NM* - 29/07/2010 10:12:23 AM 810 Views
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<Tattoos "Poor Impulse Control" on your forehead> - 29/07/2010 11:00:07 AM 1816 Views
I may be missing a reference - 29/07/2010 11:03:47 AM 1679 Views
The villain is a huge Aleutian man with such a tattoo. *NM* - 29/07/2010 11:09:30 AM 928 Views
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