Re: The Quidditch Cup, and anything else you want to discuss.
Camilla Send a noteboard - 03/08/2010 05:57:06 PM
I was always very annoyed that they cut Quidditch from the third movie. It always seemed to me that this was the one book where there was any point to the Quidditch storyline (I am wrong, of course -- they were less easy to excise in the earlier films) -- I cannot quite forgive them for taking away Wood's obsession and triumph.
Agreed. They made it even worse by cutting the World Cup Final from the fourth movie, although there at least it makes some sense as it would take the pace out of things. I think this is largely thanks to Cuaron not being so interested in it and wanting to focus more on the teenagers and their feelings... he's done some excellent stuff, including the aforementioned Slap, but yeah, it's a shame to lose the Quidditch.
If Cuaron had not given us David Thewlis as Lupin, there would have been no reason to watch that film. I have never quite forgiven him. The punch was actually an accident, apparently. Malfoy (or, rather, the boy who plays Malfoy) was actually hit, but because he kept playing it was the best take.
The moment when Harry sends the patronus at Malfoy is highly satisfying. Compound joy in that the good are rewarded (victory) and the wicked punished.
Yeah, this is a short return to children's book land, I would say... the icing on the cake, making things as perfect for a short moment as at the end of book one with Dumbledore handing out those points (and, as Jonte argued, completely messing up the concept of the House Cup in the process).
Yes, I suppose this book has a liminal tendency of sorts: it keeps setting up happy endings and then twarthing them, but at the same time it cushions the scary places and provides security as well. It is definitely moving towards the scary, dangerous settings of the next books, setting up the beginning of that and promising danger, but it has yet to leave the cosy happy behind.
But the final paragraph of the chapter always makes me cringe. It is so off.
About the Dementors? I guess... she just wanted to make clear he was on a high, I suppose.
Yes. It is just... the wording, I think. It reads like a pretentious 14-yearold. It bugs me. Her writing is usually better than that at this point.
The Marauders' Map's replies to Snape are delightful. It must be based in the real Marauders' feelings, a reaction to his name based in memories from school? Would it have reacted like that to someone Lupin, James and Sirius did not know? If, say, Umbridge or Lockhart tried? It reminds me of Riddle's diary. The connection was made explicitly earlier, of course, when Harry remembered Mrs Weasley's comments on things thinking for themselves when you could not see where they kept their brains. It suggests the marauders have happened upon the same type of magic that Riddle used in creating the diary, which again suggests that the memory that Harry encounters is not down to the diary being a horcrux. I think.
As I recall Dumbledore's comments in book six, what is most Horcrux about the diary is that Riddle can project himself out of it. The communicating with him through the diary isn't so unusual, evidently, and I agree that the Marauders must've done something similar. The map definitely wouldn't have reacted like that to others.
Ah. That makes sense.
Also, Snape must have recognised the nicknames. Why else would he have called Lupin. He therefore knows this is not a Zonko product. And that Lupin is lying to him.
Yeah, there are a few times in the books, including here, where you have to say Harry gets off strangely lightly when you expect Snape to throw the book at him. Perhaps Snape is afraid Dumbledore will overrule him if he can't genuinely prove Harry is guilty. Or perhaps he just isn't as much of an ass as he is in the classroom, where he uses his mean wit and unfair punishments to keep order and discipline (we've all had teachers like that, I'm sure).
Yes, this is another of those cushioning moments, I suppose. Lupin is very good for those.
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The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
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Aunt Marge
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She's an interesting combination of tropes, one might say...
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Stan Shunpike.
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Re: Stan Shunpike.
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True, I forgot Mundungus. And, arguably, Snape.
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I think, maybe, it's comparing with other wizarding schools in the world.
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Colin Creevey is working class.
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Aaaah, Sirius.
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Writing style.
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It is a better book.
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Its much more mature writing style I think
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Re: Its much more mature writing style I think
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Foreshadowings, details that turn out to be important, etc. *NM*
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That is very well done in this book, I thought.
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Dont foget the most important foreshadowing!
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LupinLupinLupinLupinLupinLupin!
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Hmmm I'm wondering...is Lupin one of your fav characters?
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Could be, could be.
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Well it was subtle so I don't think many people will catch it *NM*
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Is it premature to argue Harry's starting to get alienated from Ron and Hermione here?
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Re: Is it premature to argue Harry's starting to get alienated from Ron and Hermione here?
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Writing style.
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"Plotting" might be a more interesting discussion point
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Introduction of the Dementors. *NM*
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They are Rowling's most terrifying creation
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Without his knowledge or consent of course *NM*
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Yes
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I thinking something thats a little off topic
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Ooo I didn't think of that! I like you. We can be friends
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Re: "He's at Hogwarts."
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I don't know the answer, but a good place to look would be... (book 4 spoilers)
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Characters.
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Re: Characters.
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Lupin vs. Snape
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Re: Lupin vs. Snape
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Other things you want to comment on.
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Good spell and great scene with the Bogart.
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Plotting and writing. *NM*
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Re: Plotting and writing.
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I caught that too.
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I suspect....
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Other things - the Marauder's Map, background story on Sirius and the Potters,... *NM*
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The Marauder's Map seems to be able to do more on this first view than later on...
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I think she did a good job of getting the map out of Harry's hands
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It's not that the map was wrong - on the contrary (book 4 spoilers).
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No, you and Aria seem to be right - only Harry himself is depicted in miniature.
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Agree about the Twins and my take on Harry's impression of James.
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Re: Other things - the Marauder's Map, background story on Sirius and the Potters,...
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Re: Characters.
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OK. I don't like how one-sided the Slytherins are.
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Agreed.
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There are only three named girls in his year in Gryffindor, that I'm aware of.
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But the Sorting Hat decides, and they can't refuse students that I'm aware of...
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Plotting and writing. *NM*
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Crookshanks.
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I knew I saw this somewhere.
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Did they come out and explain Crookshanks?
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Thanks, thought I was loosing it... well, maybe I am, but I can still read.
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The Quidditch Cup, and anything else you want to discuss. *NM*
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Re: The Quidditch Cup, and anything else you want to discuss.
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Re: The Quidditch Cup, and anything else you want to discuss.
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Re: The Quidditch Cup, and anything else you want to discuss.
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I really enjoyed the first quidditch match.
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Chapters 19-20. *NM*
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Characters.
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Re: Characters.
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See my sudden realizations on Snape... (spoilers books 4, 6 & 7)
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Something I've only just realized about Snape... (massive book six and seven spoilers)
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Plotting and writing. *NM*
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Re: Plotting and writing.
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I think it's a good thing she explains her clues.
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killing
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Chapters 21-22. *NM*
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Plotting and writing.
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And everything else you noticed and want to comment on. *NM*
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Overall thoughts. *NM*
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Overarching plot and themes. *NM*
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How good a book is this - compared to the rest of the series, and compared to YA books in general? *NM*
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More of a question, really
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I think this is situational and a sad commentary on his home life.
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Well, but the question still remains
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I suppose this is more or less the right place for this.
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I had totally forgotten about that choir and the Ray Bradbury reference.
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Okay, so possibly a Shakespeare reference also used by Bradbury. Whatever.
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Since I'm being scolded, I'll try to focus.
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Suggestions for the re-read.
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I knew I was gonna forget something.
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Perhaps
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I considered that, but it seemed overly non-trusting, and nobody has posted in them yet? *NM*
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<Tattoos "Poor Impulse Control" on your forehead>
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I think a little break might be a good idea. Give people a chance to catch up.
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I think I should make clear, just in case, that I don't mean immediately.
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Yes
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