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Re: Since I'm being scolded, I'll try to focus. nossy Send a noteboard - 09/08/2010 07:57:02 PM
Yesyesyesyesyes. He is. Lovely.

Yes. One of my favorites in the whole series.

I know. I have been wondering about that, too. But I loved him before I saw the films, so unless I had been put off by later books... I think I was so surprised by him not being the bad guy in the first book I refused to ever believe he was bad again. I therefore constructed a very vague reasoning which made sense of his apparent badness and made it acceptable. It was ultimately wrong, but it worked very well for me. Of course, I am not saying Rickman hurt Snape's case at all.

Well, never thought he was the Bad Guy. I thought he was the absolutely awful, borderline too horrible for me to want to think of as tragic, character. Which told me that Rowling was setting him up for something Gray Area. I was a fan throughout the series, but not in a typical "fan" kinda way. I fought against the idea that he was "evil." And then began to like (interpret this term loosely) him when we got more than shallow views of his past (I think. I don't know when I met Rickman's Snape on the HP timeline).

What do you mean? What actions?

His ability to look at the situation and decide that the mainstream solution is not good for him at all. And then to quietly decide on a morally appropriate plan. That's why he's just a strong character, imo. He exists outside and above that whole "proper for wizards" thing we referred to regarding Lupin. Things get more complicated in later books, but you see what I mean.
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The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban - 28/07/2010 12:00:14 PM 2867 Views
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She's an interesting combination of tropes, one might say... - 28/07/2010 01:40:37 PM 1944 Views
Re: She's an interesting combination of tropes, one might say... - 28/07/2010 02:15:24 PM 1760 Views
Stan Shunpike. - 28/07/2010 02:01:46 PM 1739 Views
Re: Stan Shunpike. - 28/07/2010 02:19:41 PM 1652 Views
True, I forgot Mundungus. And, arguably, Snape. - 28/07/2010 02:46:38 PM 1620 Views
Re: True, I forgot Mundungus. And, arguably, Snape. - 28/07/2010 02:50:20 PM 1569 Views
If I'm not mistaken - 30/07/2010 04:36:18 PM 1619 Views
Re: True, I forgot Mundungus. And, arguably, Snape. - 07/08/2010 02:53:43 PM 1855 Views
It's not entirely clear, true. - 08/08/2010 02:44:50 PM 1754 Views
Incorrect - 28/07/2010 04:17:09 PM 1614 Views
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Colin Creevey is working class. - 28/07/2010 06:32:45 PM 1640 Views
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Judging by his father's profession, yes. - 28/07/2010 06:53:02 PM 1679 Views
Re: Judging by his father's profession, yes. - 28/07/2010 07:34:41 PM 1517 Views
Right. - 29/07/2010 02:28:34 PM 1648 Views
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Themes, if we can discern any already this early in the book. *NM* - 28/07/2010 12:04:47 PM 929 Views
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And the beginning of "appearances can be deceiving". - 02/08/2010 11:48:36 PM 1587 Views
First impressions on the news of Sirius Black's escape. *NM* - 28/07/2010 12:05:26 PM 923 Views
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Re: Aaaah, Sirius. - 28/07/2010 02:22:17 PM 1500 Views
I was talking about that, yes, among other things. - 28/07/2010 07:00:08 PM 1570 Views
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Thats easy really - 28/07/2010 02:05:26 PM 1538 Views
Writing style. - 28/07/2010 12:07:24 PM 1747 Views
It is a better book. - 28/07/2010 02:00:54 PM 1593 Views
Its much more mature writing style I think - 28/07/2010 02:09:33 PM 1814 Views
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Re: It is a better book. - 03/08/2010 05:53:30 PM 1544 Views
Re: It is a better book. - 03/08/2010 05:59:22 PM 1577 Views
Foreshadowings, details that turn out to be important, etc. *NM* - 28/07/2010 12:08:07 PM 857 Views
That is very well done in this book, I thought. - 28/07/2010 02:08:21 PM 1570 Views
Dont foget the most important foreshadowing! - 28/07/2010 02:15:35 PM 1528 Views
not yet. - 28/07/2010 02:23:28 PM 1534 Views
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Re: That is very well done in this book, I thought. - 03/08/2010 05:54:06 PM 1593 Views
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Characters. - 29/07/2010 10:23:28 AM 1567 Views
LupinLupinLupinLupinLupinLupin! - 29/07/2010 11:48:55 AM 1690 Views
Hmmm I'm wondering...is Lupin one of your fav characters? *NM* - 29/07/2010 02:36:20 PM 824 Views
Could be, could be. - 29/07/2010 02:37:41 PM 1572 Views
Well it was subtle so I don't think many people will catch it *NM* - 29/07/2010 02:41:38 PM 826 Views
Subtlety is what I do *NM* - 29/07/2010 02:43:00 PM 818 Views
He is so lovely. - 03/08/2010 06:00:26 PM 1691 Views
Re: He is so lovely. - 03/08/2010 06:10:34 PM 1610 Views
Is it premature to argue Harry's starting to get alienated from Ron and Hermione here? - 30/07/2010 01:48:06 PM 1562 Views
I don't think it's too early. - 30/07/2010 06:26:15 PM 1469 Views
I don't think it's too early to argue that. - 03/08/2010 06:02:17 PM 1741 Views
Themes. *NM* - 29/07/2010 10:24:31 AM 762 Views
Death and fear of death - 29/07/2010 11:51:25 AM 1553 Views
Writing style. - 29/07/2010 10:26:07 AM 1593 Views
"Plotting" might be a more interesting discussion point - 29/07/2010 11:57:20 AM 1650 Views
I was amazed at all the tiny details - 29/07/2010 03:25:08 PM 1469 Views
Re: I was amazed at all the tiny details - 29/07/2010 03:27:04 PM 1573 Views
Introduction of the Dementors. *NM* - 29/07/2010 10:26:59 AM 830 Views
They are Rowling's most terrifying creation - 29/07/2010 12:00:34 PM 1547 Views
Without his knowledge or consent of course *NM* - 29/07/2010 02:31:47 PM 797 Views
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I thinking something thats a little off topic - 29/07/2010 02:40:36 PM 1511 Views
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Ooo I didn't think of that! I like you. We can be friends - 29/07/2010 02:47:31 PM 1498 Views
Mission accomplished. - 29/07/2010 02:48:35 PM 1592 Views
Yippee! - 29/07/2010 02:52:16 PM 1498 Views
And among her most original, I'd say. - 30/07/2010 01:53:25 PM 1528 Views
Re: "He's at Hogwarts." - 04/08/2010 11:51:05 PM 1491 Views
Re: "He's at Hogwarts." - 04/08/2010 11:52:55 PM 1638 Views
I don't know the answer, but a good place to look would be... (book 4 spoilers) - 05/08/2010 12:33:20 AM 1537 Views
Indeed, but.... ~spoileriffic for Book 4~ - 05/08/2010 02:19:22 PM 1530 Views
Good point. - 05/08/2010 11:06:10 PM 1588 Views
Chapters 7-9. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:11:59 PM 968 Views
Characters. - 30/07/2010 02:07:20 PM 1468 Views
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Lupin vs. Snape - 30/07/2010 06:10:07 PM 1505 Views
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Yeah, he knew because of Sirius' little slip. - 30/07/2010 06:27:36 PM 1519 Views
I doubt Sirius had to actually say that it was Lupin though. - 31/07/2010 04:33:38 AM 1517 Views
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Plotting and writing. *NM* - 30/07/2010 02:08:03 PM 721 Views
She is getting good at misdirection - 30/07/2010 02:50:40 PM 1456 Views
Other things you want to comment on. *NM* - 30/07/2010 02:13:36 PM 842 Views
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Good spell and great scene with the Bogart. - 30/07/2010 06:19:16 PM 1549 Views
Agree, especially about Neville - 31/07/2010 06:21:25 AM 1624 Views
Agreed. *NM* - 31/07/2010 09:56:53 AM 841 Views
Yes, excellent scene. - 09/08/2010 08:06:05 PM 1532 Views
Chapters 10-12. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:12:18 PM 747 Views
Characters. - 02/08/2010 12:50:36 PM 1624 Views
Re: Characters. - 02/08/2010 01:36:53 PM 1504 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 02/08/2010 12:50:56 PM 697 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 02/08/2010 01:36:49 PM 1734 Views
I caught that too. - 02/08/2010 02:50:03 PM 1405 Views
I think it's just an unfortunate way of expressing herself. - 02/08/2010 02:53:26 PM 1493 Views
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I suspect.... - 03/08/2010 03:17:32 PM 1683 Views
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Mmmkay. - 04/08/2010 02:39:14 PM 1584 Views
Trelawny's Predictions - 02/08/2010 02:56:53 PM 1501 Views
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Other things - the Marauder's Map, background story on Sirius and the Potters,... *NM* - 02/08/2010 12:52:30 PM 832 Views
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What if - 02/08/2010 11:50:28 PM 1365 Views
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Chapters 13-15. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:12:57 PM 834 Views
Characters. - 03/08/2010 05:25:47 PM 1526 Views
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Re: Characters. - 08/08/2010 02:21:17 PM 1539 Views
Re: Characters. - 08/08/2010 02:23:35 PM 1651 Views
OK. I don't like how one-sided the Slytherins are. - 08/08/2010 02:30:22 PM 1594 Views
Agreed. - 08/08/2010 02:37:18 PM 1540 Views
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Re: Agreed. - 08/08/2010 02:49:59 PM 1505 Views
Agreed. - 08/08/2010 03:03:19 PM 1604 Views
Re: 200 people - 09/08/2010 12:09:53 AM 1519 Views
Well. - 09/08/2010 08:21:24 AM 1624 Views
True - 09/08/2010 02:02:52 PM 1642 Views
we were discussing her numbers in the other thread - 12/08/2010 12:49:29 AM 1769 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 03/08/2010 05:26:12 PM 796 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 03/08/2010 05:31:43 PM 1636 Views
Crookshanks. - 08/08/2010 02:22:36 PM 1531 Views
Yes - 08/08/2010 02:25:12 PM 1503 Views
I knew I saw this somewhere. - 09/08/2010 08:16:01 PM 1458 Views
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pedant. - 09/08/2010 09:27:25 PM 1616 Views
Did they come out and explain Crookshanks? - 11/08/2010 04:20:18 PM 1626 Views
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The Quidditch Cup, and anything else you want to discuss. *NM* - 03/08/2010 05:26:37 PM 824 Views
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Re: The Quidditch Cup, and anything else you want to discuss. - 03/08/2010 05:48:57 PM 1661 Views
Re: The Quidditch Cup, and anything else you want to discuss. - 03/08/2010 05:57:06 PM 1556 Views
For Quidditch fans, this is probably the best book. - 03/08/2010 05:38:49 PM 1501 Views
spoilers in headlines, mister! - 03/08/2010 05:43:22 PM 1576 Views
I really enjoyed the first quidditch match. - 03/08/2010 05:40:37 PM 1454 Views
Jordan's commenting is always great. - 03/08/2010 06:00:12 PM 1566 Views
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Re: I really enjoyed the first quidditch match. - 03/08/2010 06:02:53 PM 1525 Views
Chapters 16-18. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:13:11 PM 849 Views
Characters. - 04/08/2010 04:16:39 PM 1616 Views
Re: Characters. - 04/08/2010 05:18:56 PM 1549 Views
Re. Sirius. - 05/08/2010 02:40:41 PM 1682 Views
Witnessing and getting the truth through to Harry. - 05/08/2010 10:00:34 PM 1584 Views
Hm. - 08/08/2010 02:58:46 PM 1440 Views
Re: Hm. - 08/08/2010 03:01:48 PM 1366 Views
Re: Hm. - 08/08/2010 03:07:29 PM 1592 Views
Re: Hm. - 08/08/2010 03:12:48 PM 1472 Views
OK - 08/08/2010 03:15:10 PM 1511 Views
Re: OK - 08/08/2010 03:16:23 PM 1590 Views
Plotting and writing. - 04/08/2010 04:18:52 PM 1443 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 04/08/2010 05:18:04 PM 1322 Views
Heh. - 08/08/2010 03:05:16 PM 1574 Views
Other thoughts. *NM* - 04/08/2010 04:19:15 PM 947 Views
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Re: Other thoughts. - 08/08/2010 03:09:23 PM 1614 Views
Re: Other thoughts. - 08/08/2010 03:11:43 PM 1577 Views
Re: Other thoughts. - 08/08/2010 03:14:04 PM 1403 Views
Re: Other thoughts. - 08/08/2010 03:15:51 PM 1454 Views
Chapters 19-20. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:13:27 PM 804 Views
Characters. - 05/08/2010 02:40:22 PM 1361 Views
Re: Characters. - 05/08/2010 02:45:53 PM 1805 Views
See my sudden realizations on Snape... (spoilers books 4, 6 & 7) - 05/08/2010 03:04:24 PM 1897 Views
Re: See my sudden realizations on Snape... (spoilers books 4, 6 & 7) - 05/08/2010 03:13:21 PM 1626 Views
Re: See my sudden realizations on Snape... (spoilers books 4, 6 & 7) - 05/08/2010 03:54:31 PM 1993 Views
Re: See my sudden realizations on Snape... (spoilers books 4, 6 & 7) - 05/08/2010 05:01:52 PM 1816 Views
Something I've only just realized about Snape... (massive book six and seven spoilers) - 05/08/2010 02:53:15 PM 1616 Views
I didn't think of that! Of course you are right! - 05/08/2010 02:58:45 PM 1586 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 05/08/2010 02:40:42 PM 706 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 05/08/2010 02:48:02 PM 1709 Views
I think it's a good thing she explains her clues. - 05/08/2010 03:09:59 PM 1559 Views
Re: I think it's a good thing she explains her clues. - 05/08/2010 03:16:37 PM 1540 Views
Ah, yes, my bad. - 05/08/2010 04:02:26 PM 1498 Views
Other thoughts. *NM* - 05/08/2010 02:41:01 PM 760 Views
killing - 05/08/2010 02:48:33 PM 1445 Views
Yeah, I noted the same thing. (spoilers for rest of series) - 05/08/2010 03:12:15 PM 1663 Views
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Chapters 21-22. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:13:42 PM 775 Views
And for the last time in this book... characters? *NM* - 06/08/2010 05:03:30 PM 841 Views
Re: And for the last time in this book... characters? - 06/08/2010 06:26:23 PM 1532 Views
Plotting and writing. - 06/08/2010 05:04:14 PM 1363 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 06/08/2010 06:27:54 PM 1403 Views
I normally don't care for time travel. - 07/08/2010 01:20:13 AM 1626 Views
And everything else you noticed and want to comment on. *NM* - 06/08/2010 05:04:46 PM 857 Views
Re: And everything else you noticed and want to comment on. - 06/08/2010 06:28:40 PM 1543 Views
I love the very very end. - 07/08/2010 01:23:02 AM 1730 Views
Re: I love the very very end. - 07/08/2010 08:49:50 AM 1539 Views
Overall thoughts. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:14:03 PM 813 Views
Character development. - 28/07/2010 01:17:20 PM 1447 Views
Harry develops by leaps and bounds - 28/07/2010 02:13:10 PM 1472 Views
Overarching plot and themes. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:18:27 PM 760 Views
Things Are Not What They Seem - 01/08/2010 11:15:23 PM 1440 Views
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How good a book is this - compared to the rest of the series, and compared to YA books in general? *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:19:06 PM 835 Views
I'd say it is one of the best in the series - 02/08/2010 10:23:49 AM 1433 Views
Absolutely. - 05/08/2010 08:15:20 PM 1584 Views
More of a question, really - 01/08/2010 10:40:23 PM 1498 Views
I think this is situational and a sad commentary on his home life. - 02/08/2010 03:01:49 PM 1350 Views
Well, but the question still remains - 02/08/2010 03:04:01 PM 1454 Views
Oh, got it. - 02/08/2010 03:12:47 PM 1520 Views
Ah, interesting - 02/08/2010 03:50:41 PM 1584 Views
The problem came down to actually doing the work. - 02/08/2010 03:54:21 PM 1510 Views
I never had any. - 03/08/2010 03:25:07 PM 1458 Views
I'm finding this one more difficult to discuss. - 03/08/2010 05:38:01 PM 1507 Views
Apparently you are not alone in that. - 03/08/2010 05:48:13 PM 1637 Views
I suppose this is more or less the right place for this. - 04/08/2010 11:59:45 PM 1580 Views
Hehehe - 05/08/2010 12:14:38 AM 1524 Views
I had totally forgotten about that choir and the Ray Bradbury reference. - 05/08/2010 12:37:09 AM 1403 Views
Okay, so possibly a Shakespeare reference also used by Bradbury. Whatever. *NM* - 05/08/2010 12:37:56 AM 757 Views
Possibly? It's the witches in Macbeth. *NM* - 05/08/2010 08:36:20 AM 761 Views
Since I'm being scolded, I'll try to focus. - 09/08/2010 06:46:26 PM 1428 Views
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Re: Since I'm being scolded, I'll try to focus. - 09/08/2010 07:57:02 PM 1467 Views
Re: Since I'm being scolded, I'll try to focus. - 09/08/2010 08:00:01 PM 1517 Views
Suggestions for the re-read. - 28/07/2010 06:14:49 PM 1627 Views
I was wondering when this would come up - 28/07/2010 06:39:01 PM 1457 Views
I knew I was gonna forget something. - 28/07/2010 06:55:50 PM 1597 Views
Perhaps - 29/07/2010 09:29:53 AM 1520 Views
I considered that, but it seemed overly non-trusting, and nobody has posted in them yet? *NM* - 29/07/2010 10:12:23 AM 666 Views
Yet - 29/07/2010 10:13:44 AM 1543 Views
<Tattoos "Poor Impulse Control" on your forehead> - 29/07/2010 11:00:07 AM 1598 Views
I may be missing a reference - 29/07/2010 11:03:47 AM 1479 Views
The villain is a huge Aleutian man with such a tattoo. *NM* - 29/07/2010 11:09:30 AM 792 Views
I think a little break might be a good idea. Give people a chance to catch up. - 02/08/2010 11:46:13 PM 1538 Views
Re: I think a little break might be a good idea. Give people a chance to catch up. - 02/08/2010 11:59:20 PM 1507 Views
I think I should make clear, just in case, that I don't mean immediately. - 03/08/2010 05:11:26 PM 1466 Views
Yes - 03/08/2010 05:13:10 PM 1468 Views
Your patience is admirable. *NM* - 03/08/2010 05:15:45 PM 750 Views
There are no words *NM* - 03/08/2010 05:16:51 PM 831 Views

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