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Re: It's the things behind the scenes setting up the big plan (spoilers for this and later books) Camilla Send a noteboard - 16/08/2010 11:47:16 AM
Is this the first chapter since the opening one that is not focalised through Harry? I cannot remember that happening in any of the earlier books, but I know this technique shows up in the opening of book 6 as well (at least). Still, it is unusual for Rowling and a little unsettling because it breaks the pattern.

Well, if you look at all seven the books, there's four that start with the focus on someone else: PS with the focus, well, on baby Harry I suppose, but you get the point; GoF with this; HBP with the Muggle PM plus the next chapter on Snape; and then DH with a scene of Death Eaters. So there isn't much of a pattern to it, really.


True. It is odd. Since the pattern, focusing through Harry, is so ingrained in the series, and in the whole structure of the series: we know what Harry knows, which is why we are so often wrong in our assumptions (well, I am, anyway). Deviating from that pattern is a strange choice to make.

It raises a lot of questions: what is the plan that cannot proceed until the World Cup is over? Kidnapping Harry is after all not going to happen for almost a whole year.

Who is Wormtail going to curse? I am genuinely perplexed by this, despite having read the book I don't know how many times. Is it Crouch's house-elf? I thought maybe Barty Jr did that himself.

Barty Crouch Senior. The events at the World Cup are unforeseen by Voldemort, but in the end Winky ends up back in control of Barty Jr., and he's returned to his house, so the plan can go ahead (I was first going to say the plan as described here doesn't happen because of the World Cup thing, but that's not true, I just realized). The plan to show up at Barty Jr.'s house and liberate him, though, is what's being discussed here. So that one curse would have to be the Imperius on Barty Sr.


Ah, yes. Again, this isn't really terribly strong plotting. A sequence is planned, then disturbed, then returned to status quo so that the plan can go ahead. It is a little disappointing after the strong plotting of the third book. This whole book feels rather more unfocused (as I remember it) than the third. It is more a series of plot cupons than a coherent plot -- even though there is a plot in the background of course.

I like how Berta's memory charm is slipped by almost unnoticed (I certainly have a tendency to forget it before it comes up again).

Yeah, but then we don't get the remotest hint of what it was that Berta knew that was so interesting.

I'm just thinking, there's actually two things he gets from Berta. The Tri-Wizard Tournament she can give him consciously, then he has to break the memory charm to get to the Crouch thing. It's only the combination of the two that allows the whole kidnapping plan to be set up.


Yes, I think we are told towards the end of the book that the memory charm was to cover Crouch (but it could be my mind playing tricks).

And the reference to "my faithful servant at Hogwarts" is of course meant to throw us at Snape again.

Yeah, I think it's intentionally misleading - makes us think that he's talking about a faithful servant who's at Hogwarts as he speaks, when in fact he means his faithful servant will go to Hogwarts. Of course, if Rowling had made that clearer, it would've been too easy.


Indeed.

What I like, thinking about it, is that this "faithful servant" is someone he has quite possibly never actually met, someone he didn't care at all about before his fall (since Barty Crouch Jr.'s main Death Eater deed dates from after Voldemort's fall), but now suddenly he's so moved that this guy he barely knows has actually remained loyal to him during all that time. And Peter is ticked off not only because he's taking second place to this guy, but because he's taking second place to someone Voldemort didn't even know about until shortly before. And because Voldemort automatically assumes - without having any real knowledge to base that assumption on - that this other guy will be more competent and more reliable than Peter is.


Well, it is not too large a leap of faith ;)
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I like your explaination of why Voldemort calls Peter Wormtail Seriana Sedai - 17/08/2010 07:49:22 PM 2226 Views
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Re: That first chapter works very well, I think. Mossman - 17/08/2010 12:49:42 AM 2253 Views
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It's the things behind the scenes setting up the big plan (spoilers for this and later books) Legolas - 16/08/2010 11:38:14 AM 2237 Views
Re: It's the things behind the scenes setting up the big plan (spoilers for this and later books) Camilla - 16/08/2010 11:47:16 AM 2233 Views
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Good plotting in this section Camilla - 23/08/2010 11:08:50 AM 2198 Views
Yeah, definitely. Legolas - 23/08/2010 11:46:46 AM 2184 Views
Re: Yeah, definitely. Camilla - 23/08/2010 12:04:55 PM 2098 Views
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Makes sense. Legolas - 24/08/2010 01:15:37 PM 2083 Views
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Re: Makes sense. Legolas - 24/08/2010 05:00:59 PM 2172 Views
Re: Makes sense. Camilla - 24/08/2010 05:19:34 PM 2264 Views
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Re: Fred and George. Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:17:10 PM 2284 Views
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When discussing methods to separate girls from their gang. Legolas - 24/08/2010 04:27:47 PM 2136 Views
Ah. Hehe. Yes. Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:30:34 PM 2217 Views
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Re: It's not really a humourous pun, just a nice find by the translator. Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:48:50 PM 2172 Views
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You may be disappointed when trying to buy one, then. Legolas - 25/08/2010 04:23:57 PM 2294 Views
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Re: Snape, Percy, Hermione, Ron, Mrs Weasley and Sirius. Legolas - 26/08/2010 10:44:34 AM 2249 Views
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Fleur shows that, when push comes to shove, she has her priorities straight. Legolas - 26/08/2010 10:54:11 AM 2000 Views
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Makes more sense now. Seriana Sedai - 28/08/2010 05:00:26 AM 2038 Views
Re: Makes more sense now. Camilla - 28/08/2010 09:28:07 AM 2110 Views
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Merpeople and the second task. Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:34:40 AM 2157 Views
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Maybe they should have had a magical big screen projection of what was going on in the lake lol Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 03:57:48 PM 2119 Views
Re: That's a good point, yeah... Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:39:48 PM 2085 Views
Re: Merpeople and the second task. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:38:55 PM 2049 Views
Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:23:30 PM 2112 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Deadsy - 25/08/2010 05:40:39 PM 2189 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:42:52 PM 2084 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Legolas - 26/08/2010 11:09:20 AM 2078 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Camilla - 26/08/2010 11:17:36 AM 2231 Views
Marauder's Map. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:27:17 AM 2127 Views
Re: Marauder's Map. Camilla - 05/09/2010 10:09:48 AM 2318 Views
Re: Marauder's Map. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 04:44:16 PM 2135 Views
Other comments. *NM* Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:20:11 AM 1114 Views
Two completely unrelated things. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:24:26 PM 2169 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:36:29 PM 2146 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:42:20 PM 2255 Views
Need a cough drop dear? Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:53:26 PM 2125 Views
Re: Need a cough drop dear? Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:55:41 PM 2128 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Legolas - 26/08/2010 11:13:07 AM 2218 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Camilla - 26/08/2010 11:18:42 AM 2097 Views
Second task. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:30:01 AM 2195 Views
Chapters 28-30: Moving towards the climax *NM* Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:37:22 AM 1055 Views
Characters: The Trio, Krum, Karkarov, the Crouch family,... *NM* Legolas - 26/08/2010 12:15:59 PM 1149 Views
Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville Camilla - 26/08/2010 02:48:04 PM 2129 Views
Re: Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville Legolas - 26/08/2010 03:22:14 PM 2131 Views
Re: Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville Camilla - 26/08/2010 03:45:58 PM 2137 Views
Also Camilla - 26/08/2010 10:45:57 PM 2177 Views
Plotting and writing: increasing signs of danger, and revelations about the past. *NM* Legolas - 26/08/2010 12:16:50 PM 1118 Views
Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Camilla - 26/08/2010 02:50:29 PM 2132 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Legolas - 26/08/2010 03:38:53 PM 2368 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Camilla - 26/08/2010 03:51:32 PM 2171 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Legolas - 26/08/2010 04:05:12 PM 2128 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Camilla - 26/08/2010 04:09:12 PM 2159 Views
Yes. Elaine - 27/08/2010 02:02:22 PM 2111 Views
Everything else. *NM* Legolas - 26/08/2010 12:17:07 PM 1112 Views
My favourite category. Two things this time Camilla - 26/08/2010 02:51:16 PM 2013 Views
More owl comments. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:35:49 AM 2134 Views
Chapters 31-33: The third task Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:38:01 AM 2065 Views
Characters: The Trio, the Champions, Voldemort, Wormtail,,... *NM* Legolas - 27/08/2010 01:32:11 PM 1149 Views
Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel Camilla - 27/08/2010 03:50:03 PM 2029 Views
Re: Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel Legolas - 27/08/2010 05:09:48 PM 2025 Views
Re: Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel Camilla - 27/08/2010 05:23:14 PM 2085 Views
It's a good question... the mystery of Voldemort's wand. Legolas - 27/08/2010 06:01:19 PM 2130 Views
Re: It's a good question... the mystery of Voldemort's wand. Camilla - 27/08/2010 06:06:34 PM 2211 Views
Plotting and writing: thrilling action, but also a fair bit of infodump/flashback. *NM* Legolas - 27/08/2010 01:34:13 PM 1119 Views
Stuff happens. Camilla - 27/08/2010 03:50:33 PM 2070 Views
So it does. Legolas - 27/08/2010 05:42:40 PM 2190 Views
Re: So it does. Camilla - 27/08/2010 05:55:33 PM 2112 Views
Re: Stuff happens. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:48:41 AM 2214 Views
Re: Stuff happens. Camilla - 05/09/2010 10:08:49 AM 2119 Views
Riddle Family. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:39:29 AM 2081 Views
No. The three dead bodies are... Legolas - 05/09/2010 12:19:48 PM 2212 Views
Re: No. The three dead bodies are... Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 04:46:26 PM 2223 Views
Anything else to add? *NM* Legolas - 27/08/2010 01:34:39 PM 1105 Views
Naturally Camilla - 27/08/2010 03:50:58 PM 2268 Views
Re: Naturally Legolas - 27/08/2010 06:06:59 PM 1948 Views
Re: Naturally Camilla - 27/08/2010 06:11:26 PM 2413 Views
Chapters 34-37: The climax and the aftermath *NM* Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:38:22 AM 1092 Views
Characters: Well, pretty much all of them, I guess. *NM* Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:04:41 AM 1119 Views
Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione Camilla - 28/08/2010 11:57:25 AM 2157 Views
Re: Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione Legolas - 29/08/2010 03:00:49 PM 2093 Views
Re: Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione Camilla - 29/08/2010 03:11:25 PM 2431 Views
Plotting and writing: tying up, explanations and setting up the future books. *NM* Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:05:33 AM 1099 Views
Revelations and then some Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:02:36 PM 2101 Views
The gleam in Dumbledore's eyes Dark Knight - 28/08/2010 11:26:30 PM 2512 Views
Re: The gleam in Dumbledore's eyes Camilla - 28/08/2010 11:28:35 PM 2330 Views
Re: Revelations and then some Legolas - 29/08/2010 03:22:46 PM 2089 Views
Re: Revelations and then some Camilla - 29/08/2010 03:37:45 PM 2211 Views
Any other thoughts? *NM* Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:06:03 AM 1137 Views
Two questions and one other thing. Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:03:14 PM 2234 Views
Re: Two questions and one other thing. Legolas - 29/08/2010 03:27:02 PM 2416 Views
Re: Two questions and one other thing. Camilla - 29/08/2010 03:31:43 PM 2120 Views
The book as a whole: overall thoughts, comments and obversations Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:39:24 AM 2124 Views
What do/did you think of Rowling's writing in this book? Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:40:03 AM 2161 Views
I think she has more room to display her talent in this book. Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:27:20 AM 2224 Views
I am not sure that is a good thing Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:17:56 PM 2166 Views
Re: I am not sure that is a good thing Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:00:29 PM 2261 Views
Suggestions for the re-read. Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:41:01 AM 2268 Views
Is it possible / easy to make the post an Announcement while it's ongoing? StormCrow - 17/08/2010 03:08:31 PM 2117 Views
Well. Yes. Rebekah - 17/08/2010 06:22:10 PM 2171 Views
Ah! That really helps me too! aria - 17/08/2010 08:00:30 PM 2145 Views
Works for me too. Thanks for the tip! *NM* StormCrow - 17/08/2010 08:13:48 PM 1110 Views
When should we start the next book? And at which pace? Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:09:07 AM 2435 Views
Re: When should we start the next book? And at which pace? Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:05:31 PM 2367 Views
School started and that threw me off. aria - 30/08/2010 09:01:31 PM 2202 Views
Mine was school as well. Seriana Sedai - 01/09/2010 05:33:24 AM 2212 Views
I just haven't checked the messageboards at all recently. Cockatiel of Doom - 03/09/2010 03:28:20 AM 2203 Views
That would be good Camilla - 03/09/2010 08:19:49 AM 2114 Views
I like that idea. Rebekah - 08/09/2010 04:55:49 PM 2152 Views
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