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Re: So it does. Camilla Send a noteboard - 27/08/2010 05:55:33 PM

We also get major development in the Rita-plot. Malfoy is talking to her, then Hermione's moment of epiphany which is very packed with clues despite leaving us hanging.

Yeah, I like how she uses her hands to mimic the things she's thinking about as she comes to the realization. And how Harry and Ron are still clueless.


Yes. It is a neat detail.

I suppose that is why this is the book where it stops being a children's series as far as I am concerned. Yes, it still has many of the elements, but it is bloody scary and it no longer has all the easy morals. The house elf issue becomes very complicated (with the slaves not wanting to be freed), unlike in book 2, and Cedric dies. Right in front of us.

Agreed. Rather appropriately, in the chapter that sees Voldemort return for real at last. From here on out it'll be teenager books more than children's books. Works out nearly for those who were ten or so around the time GoF came out, but not so much for young children nowadays who want to read the series start to finish aged ten, or less... then again, as Anthony Horowitz proves on a regular basis, children really can take some pretty horrific stuff if you do it right.


That is true.

"Kill the spare" (that's what he says, yes? it's "kill the second one" in Dutch) is perhaps even more chilling than the killing itself. Cedric Diggory is a massively talented and promising young wizard, but for Voldemort he's just some random body getting in his way. Showing someone getting killed is dark enough stuff; showing someone getting killed with the killer not even giving a damn is a fair bit darker still.


I know! It is quite startling. There is no reason for his death. It is all about evil, callous, bad evil.

It's more than that: Cedric's death is so sudden. I really, really like this about Rowling. When people die (Cedric, Sirius, Dumbledore…) it happens in an instant. There is no slow motion moment in which you have time to digest it. It is done and it is over. Like blowing out a candle. I like it. It is a strange piece of … realism? in a magical world.

Yeah. And most of those deaths don't happen in a heroic, glorified way either. Dumbledore's death at least wasn't senseless in the sense that it was necessary to put Snape in a position from which to strike when the time was right, but it's far from heroic or glorious. There will be others who do go out with a bang in book seven, but for the most part, credit to Rowling for how she avoids the typical fantasy trap of having people die in exaggeratedly glorious ways.


Indeed.

Plot-wise, we are told of ``the steps I took long ago, to guard myself against mortal death''. It is interesting that he adds ``mortal'' to ``death''. Is it a reference to him dying, but not dying?

That is an odd choice of words, yes... makes sense.


It is striking. I have been reading up on spiritualism lately for my thesis, and they use the same terminology to distinguish between death and the death of the soul. They keep saying things like ``the dead are not dead''.

It is clear that we are supposed to think Snape is the most faithful servant (certainly when coupled with the Hogwarts references -- Karkaroff just does not fit the bill. I remember even after the book was out and they had read the whole, people kept arguing that Snape was the ``most faithful'' servant.

Heh. It's true we only really got certainty - logical certainty, anyway, which lots of people ignored, but still - that Snape was good at the climax of HBP. But making that argument is rather silly, because in the light of the discussions with Wormtail, in the first chapter and now here, surely it has to be Barty Junior.


Actually, the main part of these arguments were after HBP I think. I considered it obvious that Dumbledore had asked him to kill him, of course :|, but others (who shall remain unnamed) didn't agree.
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I like your explaination of why Voldemort calls Peter Wormtail Seriana Sedai - 17/08/2010 07:49:22 PM 2923 Views
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Re: That first chapter works very well, I think. Camilla - 16/08/2010 11:19:10 AM 2917 Views
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I thought that might be it. Yeah, different names in the Dutch translation then. *NM* Legolas - 17/08/2010 12:40:45 PM 1495 Views
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Plotplotplot (plot makes a funny noise if you say it like that). Camilla - 20/08/2010 01:04:01 PM 2783 Views
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The teeth comment was by far the best Snape one liner in the series. StormCrow - 23/08/2010 09:20:18 PM 2764 Views
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Other comments, small details you noticed,...? *NM* Legolas - 21/08/2010 01:12:53 PM 1522 Views
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No, no, the pudding and the bouillabaisse are two different things. Legolas - 21/08/2010 05:24:50 PM 2700 Views
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Good plotting in this section Camilla - 23/08/2010 11:08:50 AM 2885 Views
Yeah, definitely. Legolas - 23/08/2010 11:46:46 AM 2855 Views
Re: Yeah, definitely. Camilla - 23/08/2010 12:04:55 PM 2797 Views
Anything else you want to comment on? *NM* Legolas - 23/08/2010 10:41:39 AM 1491 Views
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Harry and Ron's fight is properly annoying. Rebekah - 08/09/2010 04:58:59 PM 3494 Views
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Makes sense. Legolas - 24/08/2010 01:15:37 PM 2738 Views
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Re: Makes sense. Legolas - 24/08/2010 05:00:59 PM 2808 Views
Re: Makes sense. Camilla - 24/08/2010 05:19:34 PM 2918 Views
Re: Makes sense. Legolas - 25/08/2010 12:15:12 AM 2884 Views
Fred and George. Legolas - 24/08/2010 02:30:22 PM 2843 Views
Re: Fred and George. Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:17:10 PM 2955 Views
Plotting and writing: a bit of a lull in the tension, perhaps, but there's still a lot going on. *NM* Legolas - 24/08/2010 11:11:49 AM 1562 Views
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Whatever else you want to say about these three chapters. *NM* Legolas - 24/08/2010 11:12:33 AM 1573 Views
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Ron's lasso comment is brilliant. Absolute genius. Legolas - 24/08/2010 02:23:37 PM 2779 Views
Lasso comment? Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:20:35 PM 2841 Views
When discussing methods to separate girls from their gang. Legolas - 24/08/2010 04:27:47 PM 2791 Views
Ah. Hehe. Yes. Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:30:34 PM 2874 Views
It's not really a humourous pun, just a nice find by the translator. Legolas - 24/08/2010 04:45:34 PM 2994 Views
Re: It's not really a humourous pun, just a nice find by the translator. Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:48:50 PM 2850 Views
Holy crap. Elaine - 25/08/2010 02:44:57 PM 2772 Views
Yeah, I don't know if the Google pictures are entirely representative... Legolas - 25/08/2010 03:06:25 PM 2874 Views
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You may be disappointed when trying to buy one, then. Legolas - 25/08/2010 04:23:57 PM 2979 Views
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I'm a bit worried about people's reactions to Snape during these discussions Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:41:43 PM 2990 Views
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Agreed. Snape is one of the most fascinating characters I have ever read Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:57:12 PM 2846 Views
Re: Snape, Percy, Hermione, Ron, Mrs Weasley and Sirius. Legolas - 26/08/2010 10:44:34 AM 2939 Views
Re: Snape, Percy, Hermione, Ron, Mrs Weasley and Sirius. Camilla - 26/08/2010 10:51:21 AM 2732 Views
Fleur shows that, when push comes to shove, she has her priorities straight. Legolas - 26/08/2010 10:54:11 AM 2671 Views
Re: Fleur shows that, when push comes to shove, she has her priorities straight. Camilla - 26/08/2010 11:21:59 AM 2791 Views
Makes more sense now. Seriana Sedai - 28/08/2010 05:00:26 AM 2737 Views
Re: Makes more sense now. Camilla - 28/08/2010 09:28:07 AM 2790 Views
Plotting and writing: clues, red herrings and recapitulation *NM* Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:19:47 AM 1506 Views
Merpeople and the second task. Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:34:40 AM 2810 Views
And something else I never understood about the second task Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 02:32:51 PM 2835 Views
That's a good point, yeah... Legolas - 25/08/2010 03:07:30 PM 2688 Views
Maybe they should have had a magical big screen projection of what was going on in the lake lol Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 03:57:48 PM 2801 Views
Re: That's a good point, yeah... Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:39:48 PM 2747 Views
Re: Merpeople and the second task. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:38:55 PM 2717 Views
Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:23:30 PM 2810 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Deadsy - 25/08/2010 05:40:39 PM 2852 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:42:52 PM 2735 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Legolas - 26/08/2010 11:09:20 AM 2764 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Camilla - 26/08/2010 11:17:36 AM 2885 Views
Marauder's Map. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:27:17 AM 2787 Views
Re: Marauder's Map. Camilla - 05/09/2010 10:09:48 AM 3011 Views
Re: Marauder's Map. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 04:44:16 PM 2865 Views
Other comments. *NM* Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:20:11 AM 1506 Views
Two completely unrelated things. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:24:26 PM 2798 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:36:29 PM 2815 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:42:20 PM 2907 Views
Need a cough drop dear? Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:53:26 PM 2795 Views
Re: Need a cough drop dear? Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:55:41 PM 2787 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Legolas - 26/08/2010 11:13:07 AM 2861 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Camilla - 26/08/2010 11:18:42 AM 2740 Views
Second task. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:30:01 AM 2857 Views
Chapters 28-30: Moving towards the climax *NM* Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:37:22 AM 1440 Views
Characters: The Trio, Krum, Karkarov, the Crouch family,... *NM* Legolas - 26/08/2010 12:15:59 PM 1541 Views
Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville Camilla - 26/08/2010 02:48:04 PM 2823 Views
Re: Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville Legolas - 26/08/2010 03:22:14 PM 2798 Views
Re: Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville Camilla - 26/08/2010 03:45:58 PM 2775 Views
Also Camilla - 26/08/2010 10:45:57 PM 2857 Views
Plotting and writing: increasing signs of danger, and revelations about the past. *NM* Legolas - 26/08/2010 12:16:50 PM 1507 Views
Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Camilla - 26/08/2010 02:50:29 PM 2781 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Legolas - 26/08/2010 03:38:53 PM 3016 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Camilla - 26/08/2010 03:51:32 PM 2841 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Legolas - 26/08/2010 04:05:12 PM 2763 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Camilla - 26/08/2010 04:09:12 PM 2839 Views
Yes. Elaine - 27/08/2010 02:02:22 PM 2780 Views
Everything else. *NM* Legolas - 26/08/2010 12:17:07 PM 1515 Views
My favourite category. Two things this time Camilla - 26/08/2010 02:51:16 PM 2683 Views
More owl comments. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:35:49 AM 2800 Views
Chapters 31-33: The third task Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:38:01 AM 2764 Views
Characters: The Trio, the Champions, Voldemort, Wormtail,,... *NM* Legolas - 27/08/2010 01:32:11 PM 1526 Views
Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel Camilla - 27/08/2010 03:50:03 PM 2726 Views
Re: Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel Legolas - 27/08/2010 05:09:48 PM 2699 Views
Re: Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel Camilla - 27/08/2010 05:23:14 PM 2763 Views
It's a good question... the mystery of Voldemort's wand. Legolas - 27/08/2010 06:01:19 PM 2807 Views
Re: It's a good question... the mystery of Voldemort's wand. Camilla - 27/08/2010 06:06:34 PM 2858 Views
Plotting and writing: thrilling action, but also a fair bit of infodump/flashback. *NM* Legolas - 27/08/2010 01:34:13 PM 1515 Views
Stuff happens. Camilla - 27/08/2010 03:50:33 PM 2766 Views
So it does. Legolas - 27/08/2010 05:42:40 PM 2855 Views
Re: So it does. Camilla - 27/08/2010 05:55:33 PM 2790 Views
Re: Stuff happens. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:48:41 AM 2852 Views
Re: Stuff happens. Camilla - 05/09/2010 10:08:49 AM 2796 Views
Riddle Family. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:39:29 AM 2771 Views
No. The three dead bodies are... Legolas - 05/09/2010 12:19:48 PM 2918 Views
Re: No. The three dead bodies are... Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 04:46:26 PM 2863 Views
Anything else to add? *NM* Legolas - 27/08/2010 01:34:39 PM 1493 Views
Naturally Camilla - 27/08/2010 03:50:58 PM 2934 Views
Re: Naturally Legolas - 27/08/2010 06:06:59 PM 2643 Views
Re: Naturally Camilla - 27/08/2010 06:11:26 PM 3071 Views
Chapters 34-37: The climax and the aftermath *NM* Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:38:22 AM 1482 Views
Characters: Well, pretty much all of them, I guess. *NM* Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:04:41 AM 1485 Views
Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione Camilla - 28/08/2010 11:57:25 AM 2856 Views
Re: Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione Legolas - 29/08/2010 03:00:49 PM 2798 Views
Re: Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione Camilla - 29/08/2010 03:11:25 PM 3125 Views
Plotting and writing: tying up, explanations and setting up the future books. *NM* Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:05:33 AM 1493 Views
Revelations and then some Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:02:36 PM 2797 Views
The gleam in Dumbledore's eyes Dark Knight - 28/08/2010 11:26:30 PM 3227 Views
Re: The gleam in Dumbledore's eyes Camilla - 28/08/2010 11:28:35 PM 3010 Views
Re: Revelations and then some Legolas - 29/08/2010 03:22:46 PM 2795 Views
Re: Revelations and then some Camilla - 29/08/2010 03:37:45 PM 2917 Views
Any other thoughts? *NM* Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:06:03 AM 1504 Views
Two questions and one other thing. Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:03:14 PM 2912 Views
Re: Two questions and one other thing. Legolas - 29/08/2010 03:27:02 PM 3064 Views
Re: Two questions and one other thing. Camilla - 29/08/2010 03:31:43 PM 2769 Views
The book as a whole: overall thoughts, comments and obversations Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:39:24 AM 2759 Views
What do/did you think of Rowling's writing in this book? Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:40:03 AM 2861 Views
I think she has more room to display her talent in this book. Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:27:20 AM 2934 Views
I am not sure that is a good thing Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:17:56 PM 2812 Views
Re: I am not sure that is a good thing Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:00:29 PM 2966 Views
Suggestions for the re-read. Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:41:01 AM 2923 Views
Is it possible / easy to make the post an Announcement while it's ongoing? StormCrow - 17/08/2010 03:08:31 PM 2774 Views
Well. Yes. Rebekah - 17/08/2010 06:22:10 PM 2855 Views
Ah! That really helps me too! aria - 17/08/2010 08:00:30 PM 2833 Views
Works for me too. Thanks for the tip! *NM* StormCrow - 17/08/2010 08:13:48 PM 1493 Views
When should we start the next book? And at which pace? Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:09:07 AM 3056 Views
Re: When should we start the next book? And at which pace? Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:05:31 PM 3039 Views
School started and that threw me off. aria - 30/08/2010 09:01:31 PM 2865 Views
Mine was school as well. Seriana Sedai - 01/09/2010 05:33:24 AM 2916 Views
I just haven't checked the messageboards at all recently. Cockatiel of Doom - 03/09/2010 03:28:20 AM 2849 Views
That would be good Camilla - 03/09/2010 08:19:49 AM 2811 Views
I like that idea. Rebekah - 08/09/2010 04:55:49 PM 2786 Views
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