Hermione is linked to Harry romantically. Setting up the later reaction from Mrs Weasley. I imagine her going "ooooh" and doing a happy dance when she reads that story.
*lol* Mrs. Weasley doing the happy dance would be a sight to behold.
Moody's hip flask shows up again. I like how his excuse is perfectly consistent with his character. Much kudos to Crouch Jr. He really is very competent.
I noticed that too. And yeah... too competent, one might almost say, for someone who participated in exactly one evil plot before spending thirteen years in Azkaban.
Karkaroff: red herring. It is really quite well done. When we are informed that he was a death eater, Moody's hostility suddenly makes sense -- we get the illusion of seeing it all make sense and an enigma resolved, but it is all false confirmation.
But we are told he is not popular among the people in Azkaban, and that he named names, both of which are very important clues in retrospect.
Very true.
Sirius even brings up the attack on Moody with a twist: someone tried to stop him ``because their job would be a lot more difficult with him around''. I love this sort of thing. He is so tantalisingly close to the truth. And yet he has managed to bring to the fore again one of the main clues without revealing the truth. I like it. Add the fact that Crouch Jr's job depends on having Moody around so that he can make more polyjuice potion.
Agreed, it's well done. The truth is so unlikely that all the speculations make sense.
Sirius even mentions Bertha Jorkins as a possible source for Voldemort concerning the tournament. And he suggests that Karkaroff might be a red herring. In fine, he touches on all the major plot points, but it is all buried in the excitement of the first task.
Perhaps to lighten the load on the explanation moment at the end of the book a bit - have some minor tidbits discovered earlier on like here.
Another major plot moment is the scene with Harry and Moody in Moody's office. He tells us he has disabled his dark detectors and the trunk is introduced.
Yep. I'm also amused by him telling Harry how he did a good thing, when we know that inside he's raging at Harry's stupidity - and then is all the more relieved when Harry exceeds expectations in the first task nonetheless.
Moody giving Harry advice again makes him seem like a good guy because we assume the baddies are trying to simply have Harry killed. This plot line is quite well done.
Yeah. It's kind of sad how Harry has so many people helping him, including a teacher and a juror, but then otherwise his beating students three years his senior would seem unrealistic alright.
Baggins helping him is also a plot point (but of that side plot I am not such a fan of). He also refers to gambling as soon as Harry's won (shortening the odds). Not to mention giving him a 10. I assume he put money on Harry to win.
Baggins? Nice one.
And yes, he did put money on Harry to win - money he desperately needs to pay back the goblins. Trelawny spot on in unintended ways again. Her comments that "death is approaching" somehow manage to say directly that Harry is the one who is going to die, and we know death IS approaching.
Indeed.
And I like her writing when she produces something like this:
``Just then, Neville caused a slight diversion by turning into a large canary''.
There is too little of that in this book.
Yeah, it's one of her fortes, using magic for deadpanned gems like that one. And usually at a moment where it cuts short a discussion or line of thought that will reveal future events - Fred's prediction that the house-elves' cooking might suffer from Hermione's attempts to free them is very close to the mark, it'll be their cleaning instead.
The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Four Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
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Chapters 1-3: A different beginning
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Early characters
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Early plotting.
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It's the things behind the scenes setting up the big plan (spoilers for this and later books)
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Re: Early plotting.
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Any other comments/observations
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Mob mentality and British euroscepticism.
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people in groups and baffling violence. And the godawful recaps
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Yeah, I agree about the recaps, they're pointless at this point. *NM*
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Good news! HP really caught on after this book and so the last books don't have a recap! *NM*
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Chapters 4-6 - The Weasleys
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Characters - a few new ones
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Also on the topic of Amos' talk of Cedric and Harry... (spoilers for end of book)
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Oh, I can think of a few more things that will prove relevant. But that's for tomorrow.
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And arguably another one of those fun names with a hidden meaning...
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Plotting - anything of note?
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The Lovegoods? This is why reading in translation can be annoying...
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I thought that might be it. Yeah, different names in the Dutch translation then. *NM*
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Any other comments/observations.
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Chapters 7-9 - The Quidditch World Cup and Death Eaters
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Characters: Ministers, Mothers, other important people.
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Plotting
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Other stuff.
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Krum Catching the Snitch
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It makes a certain amount of sense, I think...
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Clothes and other schools
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There's a first mention of Beauxbatons in chapter nine.
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Chapters 10-12: Back to Hogwarts and the Tri-Wizard Tournament. *NM*
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Characters: introducing Rita Skeeter and Alastor "Mad-Eye" Moody. *NM*
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Re: Characters: introducing Rita Skeeter and Alastor "Mad-Eye" Moody.
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Any other comments, observations or revelations? *NM*
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There was that Durmstrang reference I was waiting for.
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Chapters 13-15: First lessons, and the arrival of the foreign guests *NM*
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Characters: The Trio, Neville, Moody, first impressions of Karkarov and Maxime *NM*
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Hagrid, Rita, Moody, Neville, Harry, Hedwig, Cedric, McGonnagall, Hermione and Madamme Maxime
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Plotting and writing. *NM*
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Plotplotplot (plot makes a funny noise if you say it like that).
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Anything else to add? *NM*
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Yes. Five things, actually. Magic, Snape, idiocy, apparating while presumed guilty aaand evil films.
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Trelawney, or how one can be a Seer and not even know it.
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Chapters 16-18: The Tri-Wizard Tournament begins *NM*
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Characters: The Champions, Hagrid, Karkarov, and of course Rita Skeeter in person *NM*
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Karkaroff, Moody, Fleur, Krum, Ron, Hermione, Snape and Rita
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Oh, you're right, it is then. I thought you meant she said it to Harry.
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The teeth comment was by far the best Snape one liner in the series.
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Definitely true
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Plotting and writing.
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plotting both for the book alone and the series as a whole
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Other comments, small details you noticed,...? *NM*
- 21/08/2010 01:12:53 PM
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House-elves, Hufflepuff and minds in gutter.
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I love the bouillabaisse thing.
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I associate blancmange more with Britain than with anywhere else...
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Re: I love the bouillabaisse thing.
- 21/08/2010 05:12:54 PM
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No, no, the pudding and the bouillabaisse are two different things.
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Hermione really comes into her own in this book.
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Agreed, but spending really all her time with those two boys does make it easier...
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Chapters 19-21: The first task and House-Elves at Hogwarts *NM*
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Characters: The Trio, the Champions, Moody, Dobby and Winky,...
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The trio, Neville and the House-elves.
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Re: The trio, Neville and the House-elves.
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Ron and Harry, Winky, various other thoughts.
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Plotting and writing: the first task and other events *NM*
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Good plotting in this section
- 23/08/2010 11:08:50 AM
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Yeah, definitely.
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Anything else you want to comment on? *NM*
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I love that there is a book called Men Who Love Dragons Too Much. *NM*
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Chapters 22-24: The - rather eventful - Yule Ball *NM*
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Characters: The Trio, Champions and their dates, Karkarov, Hagrid and Olympe,...
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Ron and Hermione, mainly.
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Makes sense.
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Re: Makes sense.
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Re: Makes sense.
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Plotting and writing: a bit of a lull in the tension, perhaps, but there's still a lot going on. *NM*
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Yule Ball, preparation and aftermath
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Whatever else you want to say about these three chapters. *NM*
- 24/08/2010 11:12:33 AM
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Gender roles, Dobby, national stereotypes, creepy magic and gobbledegook.
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Ron's lasso comment is brilliant. Absolute genius.
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Lasso comment?
- 24/08/2010 04:20:35 PM
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When discussing methods to separate girls from their gang.
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Ah. Hehe. Yes.
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It's not really a humourous pun, just a nice find by the translator.
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Holy crap.
- 25/08/2010 02:44:57 PM
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Yeah, I don't know if the Google pictures are entirely representative...
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Chapters 25-27: The second task and Padfoot's return
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Characters: The Trio, Krum, Fleur, Sirius,... *NM*
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Snape, Percy, Hermione, Ron, Mrs Weasley and Sirius.
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I'm a bit worried about people's reactions to Snape during these discussions
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Agreed. Snape is one of the most fascinating characters I have ever read
- 25/08/2010 05:57:12 PM
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Fleur shows that, when push comes to shove, she has her priorities straight.
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Plotting and writing: clues, red herrings and recapitulation *NM*
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Merpeople and the second task.
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And something else I never understood about the second task
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That's a good point, yeah...
- 25/08/2010 03:07:30 PM
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Maybe they should have had a magical big screen projection of what was going on in the lake lol
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Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book.
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- 26/08/2010 11:17:36 AM
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Marauder's Map.
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Other comments. *NM*
- 25/08/2010 11:20:11 AM
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Two completely unrelated things.
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Chapters 28-30: Moving towards the climax *NM*
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Characters: The Trio, Krum, Karkarov, the Crouch family,... *NM*
- 26/08/2010 12:15:59 PM
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Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville
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Plotting and writing: increasing signs of danger, and revelations about the past. *NM*
- 26/08/2010 12:16:50 PM
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Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues.
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Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues.
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Chapters 31-33: The third task
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Characters: The Trio, the Champions, Voldemort, Wormtail,,... *NM*
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Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel
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Plotting and writing: thrilling action, but also a fair bit of infodump/flashback. *NM*
- 27/08/2010 01:34:13 PM
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Stuff happens.
- 27/08/2010 03:50:33 PM
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Riddle Family.
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Anything else to add? *NM*
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Chapters 34-37: The climax and the aftermath *NM*
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Characters: Well, pretty much all of them, I guess. *NM*
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Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione
- 28/08/2010 11:57:25 AM
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Plotting and writing: tying up, explanations and setting up the future books. *NM*
- 28/08/2010 11:05:33 AM
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Revelations and then some
- 28/08/2010 12:02:36 PM
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Any other thoughts? *NM*
- 28/08/2010 11:06:03 AM
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Two questions and one other thing.
- 28/08/2010 12:03:14 PM
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The book as a whole: overall thoughts, comments and obversations
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What do/did you think of Rowling's writing in this book?
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I think she has more room to display her talent in this book.
- 28/08/2010 11:27:20 AM
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Suggestions for the re-read.
- 16/08/2010 09:41:01 AM
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Is it possible / easy to make the post an Announcement while it's ongoing?
- 17/08/2010 03:08:31 PM
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When should we start the next book? And at which pace?
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