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Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Legolas Send a noteboard - 26/08/2010 03:38:53 PM
The Crouch/Moody enigma is getting very tightly packed. Winky informs us that she is not only doing homework for her master, but also secret stuff. And Harry meets Crouch in the forest. I cannot quite make out what ``You are not his means (is he referring to Karkaroff? Voldemort?), but the rest of the scene is riddled with very strong clues in retrospect. He keeps mentioning his son and wife. And Moody shows up at the scene in very short time with a dubious explanation of Snape telling him.

Voldemort, presumably, yeah... and indeed, even more info to figure things out with. But Sirius' apparently factual mention of Junior being dead makes it very hard to guess everything.
Moreover, the fact that the bad guy was probably only a few feet from Harry (as Sirius, and then Harry point out) and didn't kill him, is a big clue. Hermione's explanation that it wouldn't look like an accident is very thin: the Goblet entry sure doesn't.

Yeah. Surely it should be clear by now than plain killing is not the goal.
We are given the indication that Wormtail has been in charge of Crouch. The dream sequence bugs me a little, however. I suppose it could be argued that Voldemort possesses the bird (or some animal sitting on top of the bird?), but that is not how Harry describes it later on (he says the owl was bringing a letter). Taken together with the first chapter, this indicates that Rowling has not quite worked out how the Voldemort/Harry link works yet.

Indeed, it doesn't really work the same way as on later occasions.
And finally there is the pensive (which will play quite a major part in later books), with not only Karkaroff's testimony (Snape is confirmed as a former death eater, and that part of the enigmas in this book at least is resolved), but also Bagman's (revealing what Rita knew about him, and indicating that he may not be just the cheerful sports guy that he presents himself as -- the trial is shown as being the worst case celebrity trial). I love how Crouch says ``the day Ludo Bagman joins us will be a very sad day for the Ministry''. And of course, the main bit, the trial of Crouch's son where we get the first glimpse of the Lestranges and the explanation for Neville's reaction to the cruciatus curse. And of course the main baddie, who does not seem like one at all.

That's perhaps my main problem with this book. Barty Junior goes into Azkaban as a frightened, panicking boy and comes out a cold-blooded, quick-thinking and highly competent Death Eater - arguably the most competent we see anywhere in the series? Azkaban may make one tougher in a way, as with Sirius, but Barty Junior's transformation is really strange.

Ravenwood will also be relevant again later on, since he works at Mystification.
The Bagman enigma also gets a major hint when we are told Leprechaun gold disappears. At this point is it should actually be possible to work out the twins/bagman plot, I think.

Yeah, it should be fairly obvious really... at least that they didn't get the gold he owed them, and that that's what the "blackmail" is about. It's a bit strange that Ron, for all his "they only think about money now" speech, doesn't comment on how evidently Fred and George don't seem to have the very sizeable sum - in the hundreds of Galleons at the very least, surely - they were supposed to have gotten from Bagman.
The Rita Skeeter plot picks up some steam, with Hermione promising to ``get her back'' and the idea that she might be ``bugging'' them. That is another of Rowling's finer moments. I like her play with words.

I was gonna ask you how it worked in the English version. And yes, we didn't comment on it in the previous section, but Krum's mention of the beetle in Hermione's hair was of course a big clue.
The twins are painted as potentially gone to the bad. I never really bought it, and I think this is one of the reasons I have issues with this book.

Yeah, it's fairly silly. And Ron's not exactly in a position to complain about them thinking so much about money, considering how annoyed he gets about the leprechaun gold thing...
The theme of bigotry shows up again in Fudge's suggestion that Madame Maxime has done away with (eaten?) Crouch. Dumbledore's dismissal of it is quite lovely, but it paints quite a strong image of mainstream wizard ideas when the minister for magic can say something like that (of course, it doesn't help when the minister is a moron).

Yeah, it's really all over when you start looking for it... and Fudge's tendency of looking for easy victims to blame things on so as to keep the press off his back is shown. Or the Ministry in general, really - Scrimgeour will do it too.
Nifflers are introduced. They play some part in the next book. Of course, there is no way of telling whether this is a planned introduction or rather Rowling reaching back to earlier material to build on it. But that is true for most of the bookspanning pre-introductions.

Yeah. It's good that she tries to not use magical dei ex machinis, though, and announces her magical plot devices beforehand.
We also get the first use of the patronus to alert someone when Dumbledore calls for Hagrid.

Do we ever actually find out what patronus Dumbledore has?
A question, however: right at the end, was Dumbledore going to say something else? He only wishes him good luck, but I cannot shake the feeling that the pause is significant.

You may be right, but what? "Oh, by the way, you'll have to be the one to kill him"? Surely it can't be the big thing, but I'm not sure what smaller thing he could have said... though he clearly knows more than Harry about the plot at this point.
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The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Four Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:28:48 AM 6490 Views
Chapters 1-3: A different beginning Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:30:26 AM 2634 Views
Early characters Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:32:12 AM 2699 Views
Wormtail and Dudley Legolas - 16/08/2010 10:58:35 AM 2785 Views
Re: Wormtail and Dudley Camilla - 16/08/2010 11:11:11 AM 2710 Views
Something you just said there.... nossy - 16/08/2010 06:03:53 PM 2756 Views
Re: Early characters Camilla - 16/08/2010 11:02:23 AM 3027 Views
Re. Pigwidgeon. Elaine - 16/08/2010 02:39:21 PM 2904 Views
Re: Re. Pigwidgeon. Camilla - 16/08/2010 03:27:39 PM 2766 Views
Re: Early characters Mossman - 17/08/2010 01:23:59 AM 2882 Views
I like your explaination of why Voldemort calls Peter Wormtail Seriana Sedai - 17/08/2010 07:49:22 PM 2817 Views
Early plotting. Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:32:52 AM 2760 Views
That first chapter works very well, I think. Legolas - 16/08/2010 10:20:48 AM 2755 Views
Re: That first chapter works very well, I think. Camilla - 16/08/2010 11:19:10 AM 2823 Views
Re: That first chapter works very well, I think. Mossman - 17/08/2010 12:49:42 AM 2826 Views
Re: Early plotting. Camilla - 16/08/2010 11:02:09 AM 2854 Views
It's the things behind the scenes setting up the big plan (spoilers for this and later books) Legolas - 16/08/2010 11:38:14 AM 2822 Views
Re: It's the things behind the scenes setting up the big plan (spoilers for this and later books) Camilla - 16/08/2010 11:47:16 AM 2843 Views
Re: It's the things behind the scenes setting up the big plan (spoilers for this and later books) Legolas - 16/08/2010 12:16:16 PM 3045 Views
Re: It's the things behind the scenes setting up the big plan (spoilers for this and later books) Camilla - 16/08/2010 12:36:30 PM 2699 Views
Re: Early plotting. Mossman - 17/08/2010 01:15:43 AM 2686 Views
No, it does. Legolas - 17/08/2010 01:24:16 AM 2734 Views
Re: No, it does. Mossman - 17/08/2010 01:45:00 AM 2767 Views
Re: Early plotting. Camilla - 17/08/2010 11:22:57 AM 2737 Views
Any other comments/observations Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:33:34 AM 2618 Views
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Re: Mob mentality and British euroscepticism. Camilla - 16/08/2010 11:30:08 AM 2756 Views
Re: Mob mentality and British euroscepticism. Legolas - 16/08/2010 11:45:43 AM 2857 Views
people in groups and baffling violence. And the godawful recaps Camilla - 16/08/2010 11:03:09 AM 2771 Views
Yeah, I agree about the recaps, they're pointless at this point. *NM* Legolas - 16/08/2010 11:17:37 AM 1560 Views
Good news! HP really caught on after this book and so the last books don't have a recap! *NM* Dark Knight - 16/08/2010 03:27:24 PM 1516 Views
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Re: Characters - a few new ones Legolas - 17/08/2010 12:18:30 PM 2803 Views
Re: Characters - a few new ones Camilla - 17/08/2010 12:24:41 PM 2776 Views
It's all in how you say it. StormCrow - 17/08/2010 03:18:48 PM 2735 Views
Amos annoyed me too. Seriana Sedai - 18/08/2010 08:29:56 PM 2739 Views
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Oh, I can think of a few more things that will prove relevant. But that's for tomorrow. *NM* Legolas - 17/08/2010 12:51:50 PM 1507 Views
I am quite looking forward to it Camilla - 17/08/2010 12:53:01 PM 2682 Views
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I thought that might be it. Yeah, different names in the Dutch translation then. *NM* Legolas - 17/08/2010 12:40:45 PM 1431 Views
That must be annoying Camilla - 17/08/2010 12:42:12 PM 2698 Views
It is, but fortunately it's rare. Legolas - 17/08/2010 12:49:25 PM 2622 Views
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Cars Camilla - 17/08/2010 11:11:18 AM 2905 Views
Heh. Rebekah - 18/08/2010 12:40:48 AM 2681 Views
Evidently Quidditch is inspired by rugby here. Legolas - 17/08/2010 12:40:10 PM 2787 Views
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Mr Weasley is a darling. Rebekah - 18/08/2010 12:47:13 AM 2671 Views
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It makes a certain amount of sense, I think... Legolas - 18/08/2010 01:23:46 PM 2651 Views
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A lot of pent-up anger there, I sense *NM* Camilla - 19/08/2010 09:24:51 AM 2625 Views
Nice list, yeah. Legolas - 19/08/2010 10:51:07 AM 2758 Views
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Re: There's a first mention of Beauxbatons in chapter nine. Legolas - 18/08/2010 02:08:28 PM 2746 Views
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Skeeter, Moody and more Weasleys. Legolas - 19/08/2010 04:03:20 PM 2351 Views
Re: Skeeter, Moody and more Weasleys. Camilla - 19/08/2010 05:46:27 PM 2214 Views
Re: Characters: introducing Rita Skeeter and Alastor "Mad-Eye" Moody. Camilla - 19/08/2010 05:23:11 PM 2329 Views
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Re: Plotting and writing. Camilla - 19/08/2010 05:23:37 PM 2261 Views
Any other comments, observations or revelations? *NM* Legolas - 19/08/2010 11:23:48 AM 1460 Views
There was that Durmstrang reference I was waiting for. Legolas - 19/08/2010 04:23:16 PM 2415 Views
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Vampire. Only meet one I think, in a later book. StormCrow - 23/08/2010 02:51:51 PM 2711 Views
Oh yes! Camilla - 23/08/2010 02:58:03 PM 2666 Views
So. Sport and numbers. Rebekah - 19/08/2010 06:35:29 PM 2262 Views
Re: So. Sport and numbers. Camilla - 19/08/2010 06:39:12 PM 2323 Views
It doesn't matter, no. Legolas - 19/08/2010 11:33:04 PM 2758 Views
Re: Any other comments, observations or revelations? Camilla - 19/08/2010 05:24:05 PM 2498 Views
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Re: Hagrid, Rita, Moody, Neville, Harry, Hedwig, Cedric, McGonnagall, Hermione and Madamme Maxime Legolas - 20/08/2010 02:33:04 PM 2657 Views
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Moody is really well done. Legolas - 20/08/2010 01:15:55 PM 2816 Views
Agreed. Camilla - 20/08/2010 01:25:45 PM 2817 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* Legolas - 20/08/2010 11:51:43 AM 1443 Views
Plotplotplot (plot makes a funny noise if you say it like that). Camilla - 20/08/2010 01:04:01 PM 2679 Views
Re: Plotplotplot (plot makes a funny noise if you say it like that). Legolas - 20/08/2010 01:55:29 PM 2841 Views
Re: Plotplotplot (plot makes a funny noise if you say it like that). Camilla - 20/08/2010 02:04:07 PM 2911 Views
I just realised Camilla - 20/08/2010 11:51:20 PM 2629 Views
Anything else to add? *NM* Legolas - 20/08/2010 11:52:05 AM 1340 Views
Yes. Five things, actually. Magic, Snape, idiocy, apparating while presumed guilty aaand evil films. Camilla - 20/08/2010 01:05:06 PM 2640 Views
Re: Yes. Five things, actually. Legolas - 20/08/2010 01:27:27 PM 2684 Views
Re: Yes. Five things, actually. Camilla - 20/08/2010 01:35:12 PM 2596 Views
Trelawney, or how one can be a Seer and not even know it. Legolas - 20/08/2010 01:46:09 PM 2701 Views
Re: Trelawney, or how one can be a Seer and not even know it. Camilla - 20/08/2010 01:56:53 PM 2877 Views
Oh, and one more thing... Legolas - 20/08/2010 01:57:20 PM 2685 Views
Re: Oh, and one more thing... Camilla - 20/08/2010 02:08:50 PM 2708 Views
Unforgiveable Curses and Owls Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:09:26 AM 2813 Views
Chapters 16-18: The Tri-Wizard Tournament begins *NM* Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:35:31 AM 1480 Views
Characters: The Champions, Hagrid, Karkarov, and of course Rita Skeeter in person *NM* Legolas - 21/08/2010 01:10:53 PM 1456 Views
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Re: Karkaroff, Moody, Fleur, Krum, Ron, Hermione, Snape and Rita Legolas - 21/08/2010 04:24:02 PM 2700 Views
Re: Karkaroff, Moody, Fleur, Krum, Ron, Hermione, Snape and Rita Camilla - 21/08/2010 04:40:39 PM 2691 Views
Re: Karkaroff, Moody, Fleur, Krum, Ron, Hermione, Snape and Rita Legolas - 21/08/2010 05:06:43 PM 2922 Views
Re: Karkaroff, Moody, Fleur, Krum, Ron, Hermione, Snape and Rita Camilla - 21/08/2010 05:10:53 PM 2676 Views
Oh, you're right, it is then. I thought you meant she said it to Harry. Legolas - 21/08/2010 05:31:49 PM 2890 Views
Re: Oh, you're right, it is then. I thought you meant she said it to Harry. Camilla - 21/08/2010 05:41:44 PM 2768 Views
The teeth comment was by far the best Snape one liner in the series. StormCrow - 23/08/2010 09:20:18 PM 2674 Views
Re: The teeth comment was by far the best Snape one liner in the series. Camilla - 23/08/2010 09:22:26 PM 2856 Views
Definitely true StormCrow - 23/08/2010 10:02:46 PM 2877 Views
Re: Definitely true Camilla - 24/08/2010 06:20:53 PM 2965 Views
Well, perhaps dues ex machina is a bit too much. StormCrow - 25/08/2010 01:06:27 AM 2903 Views
Re: Well, perhaps dues ex machina is a bit too much. Seriana Sedai - 25/08/2010 06:01:32 AM 2687 Views
Plotting and writing. Legolas - 21/08/2010 01:12:24 PM 2971 Views
plotting both for the book alone and the series as a whole Camilla - 21/08/2010 01:39:10 PM 2707 Views
Re: plotting both for the book alone and the series as a whole Legolas - 21/08/2010 04:30:20 PM 2879 Views
Re: plotting both for the book alone and the series as a whole Camilla - 21/08/2010 04:35:22 PM 2934 Views
Other comments, small details you noticed,...? *NM* Legolas - 21/08/2010 01:12:53 PM 1462 Views
House-elves, Hufflepuff and minds in gutter. Camilla - 21/08/2010 01:35:38 PM 2977 Views
Re: House-elves, Hufflepuff and minds in gutter. Legolas - 21/08/2010 04:55:10 PM 2851 Views
Re: House-elves, Hufflepuff and minds in gutter. Camilla - 21/08/2010 04:59:55 PM 2957 Views
I don't know what you're talking about. Rebekah - 21/08/2010 05:05:28 PM 2781 Views
Re: I don't know what you're talking about. Camilla - 21/08/2010 05:16:18 PM 2811 Views
Re: House-elves, Hufflepuff and minds in gutter. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:11:11 AM 2761 Views
I love the bouillabaisse thing. Legolas - 21/08/2010 05:02:47 PM 2882 Views
Re: I love the bouillabaisse thing. Rebekah - 21/08/2010 05:08:40 PM 2912 Views
I associate blancmange more with Britain than with anywhere else... Legolas - 21/08/2010 05:26:17 PM 2740 Views
Re: I love the bouillabaisse thing. Camilla - 21/08/2010 05:12:54 PM 2621 Views
No, no, the pudding and the bouillabaisse are two different things. Legolas - 21/08/2010 05:24:50 PM 2608 Views
Re: No, no, the pudding and the bouillabaisse are two different things. Camilla - 21/08/2010 05:39:06 PM 2918 Views
Hermione really comes into her own in this book. Rebekah - 27/08/2010 11:30:38 PM 2524 Views
Agreed, but spending really all her time with those two boys does make it easier... Legolas - 27/08/2010 11:36:20 PM 2707 Views
Re: Agreed, but spending really all her time with those two boys does make it easier... Camilla - 27/08/2010 11:48:19 PM 2723 Views
Indeed Camilla - 27/08/2010 11:46:44 PM 2934 Views
Chapters 19-21: The first task and House-Elves at Hogwarts *NM* Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:35:53 AM 1453 Views
Characters: The Trio, the Champions, Moody, Dobby and Winky,... Legolas - 23/08/2010 10:40:21 AM 2668 Views
The trio, Neville and the House-elves. Camilla - 23/08/2010 11:07:50 AM 2695 Views
Re: The trio, Neville and the House-elves. Legolas - 23/08/2010 11:35:56 AM 2810 Views
Re: The trio, Neville and the House-elves. Camilla - 23/08/2010 11:44:08 AM 2959 Views
Re: The trio, Neville and the House-elves. Legolas - 23/08/2010 11:54:31 AM 2608 Views
Re: The trio, Neville and the House-elves. Camilla - 23/08/2010 12:07:24 PM 2876 Views
Ron and Harry, Winky, various other thoughts. Legolas - 23/08/2010 11:19:21 AM 2629 Views
Re: Ron and Harry, Winky, various other thoughts. Camilla - 23/08/2010 11:56:37 AM 2751 Views
Re: Ron and Harry, Winky, various other thoughts. Legolas - 23/08/2010 01:58:39 PM 2583 Views
Re: Ron and Harry, Winky, various other thoughts. Camilla - 23/08/2010 02:08:53 PM 2670 Views
Plotting and writing: the first task and other events *NM* Legolas - 23/08/2010 10:41:20 AM 1475 Views
Good plotting in this section Camilla - 23/08/2010 11:08:50 AM 2780 Views
Yeah, definitely. Legolas - 23/08/2010 11:46:46 AM 2754 Views
Re: Yeah, definitely. Camilla - 23/08/2010 12:04:55 PM 2692 Views
Anything else you want to comment on? *NM* Legolas - 23/08/2010 10:41:39 AM 1440 Views
I love that there is a book called Men Who Love Dragons Too Much. *NM* Camilla - 23/08/2010 11:09:15 AM 1373 Views
Harry and Ron's fight is properly annoying. Rebekah - 08/09/2010 04:58:59 PM 3402 Views
Chapters 22-24: The - rather eventful - Yule Ball *NM* Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:36:30 AM 1349 Views
Characters: The Trio, Champions and their dates, Karkarov, Hagrid and Olympe,... Legolas - 24/08/2010 11:09:33 AM 2836 Views
Ron and Hermione, mainly. Camilla - 24/08/2010 11:47:49 AM 2915 Views
Makes sense. Legolas - 24/08/2010 01:15:37 PM 2638 Views
Re: Makes sense. Camilla - 24/08/2010 03:53:20 PM 2619 Views
Re: Makes sense. Legolas - 24/08/2010 05:00:59 PM 2704 Views
Re: Makes sense. Camilla - 24/08/2010 05:19:34 PM 2830 Views
Re: Makes sense. Legolas - 25/08/2010 12:15:12 AM 2790 Views
Fred and George. Legolas - 24/08/2010 02:30:22 PM 2746 Views
Re: Fred and George. Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:17:10 PM 2864 Views
Plotting and writing: a bit of a lull in the tension, perhaps, but there's still a lot going on. *NM* Legolas - 24/08/2010 11:11:49 AM 1506 Views
Yule Ball, preparation and aftermath Camilla - 24/08/2010 11:48:30 AM 2845 Views
Re: Yule Ball, preparation and aftermath Legolas - 24/08/2010 02:18:04 PM 2671 Views
Re: Yule Ball, preparation and aftermath Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:13:57 PM 2709 Views
Re: Yule Ball, preparation and aftermath Legolas - 24/08/2010 04:33:14 PM 2732 Views
Whatever else you want to say about these three chapters. *NM* Legolas - 24/08/2010 11:12:33 AM 1514 Views
Gender roles, Dobby, national stereotypes, creepy magic and gobbledegook. Camilla - 24/08/2010 11:49:16 AM 2784 Views
Re: Gender roles, Dobby, national stereotypes, creepy magic and gobbledegook. Legolas - 24/08/2010 02:27:51 PM 2703 Views
Re: Gender roles, Dobby, national stereotypes, creepy magic and gobbledegook. Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:15:15 PM 2753 Views
Ron's lasso comment is brilliant. Absolute genius. Legolas - 24/08/2010 02:23:37 PM 2703 Views
Lasso comment? Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:20:35 PM 2735 Views
When discussing methods to separate girls from their gang. Legolas - 24/08/2010 04:27:47 PM 2709 Views
Ah. Hehe. Yes. Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:30:34 PM 2777 Views
It's not really a humourous pun, just a nice find by the translator. Legolas - 24/08/2010 04:45:34 PM 2905 Views
Re: It's not really a humourous pun, just a nice find by the translator. Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:48:50 PM 2755 Views
Holy crap. Elaine - 25/08/2010 02:44:57 PM 2683 Views
Yeah, I don't know if the Google pictures are entirely representative... Legolas - 25/08/2010 03:06:25 PM 2786 Views
Don't care, I choose to believe Elaine - 25/08/2010 03:21:37 PM 2672 Views
You may be disappointed when trying to buy one, then. Legolas - 25/08/2010 04:23:57 PM 2889 Views
Chapters 25-27: The second task and Padfoot's return Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:36:55 AM 2683 Views
Characters: The Trio, Krum, Fleur, Sirius,... *NM* Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:18:49 AM 1402 Views
Snape, Percy, Hermione, Ron, Mrs Weasley and Sirius. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:31:18 PM 2608 Views
I'm a bit worried about people's reactions to Snape during these discussions Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:41:43 PM 2899 Views
Re: I'm a bit worried about people's reactions to Snape during these discussions Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:45:30 PM 2631 Views
Agreed. Snape is one of the most fascinating characters I have ever read Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:57:12 PM 2753 Views
Re: Snape, Percy, Hermione, Ron, Mrs Weasley and Sirius. Legolas - 26/08/2010 10:44:34 AM 2830 Views
Re: Snape, Percy, Hermione, Ron, Mrs Weasley and Sirius. Camilla - 26/08/2010 10:51:21 AM 2633 Views
Fleur shows that, when push comes to shove, she has her priorities straight. Legolas - 26/08/2010 10:54:11 AM 2557 Views
Re: Fleur shows that, when push comes to shove, she has her priorities straight. Camilla - 26/08/2010 11:21:59 AM 2705 Views
Makes more sense now. Seriana Sedai - 28/08/2010 05:00:26 AM 2644 Views
Re: Makes more sense now. Camilla - 28/08/2010 09:28:07 AM 2698 Views
Plotting and writing: clues, red herrings and recapitulation *NM* Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:19:47 AM 1452 Views
Merpeople and the second task. Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:34:40 AM 2710 Views
And something else I never understood about the second task Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 02:32:51 PM 2743 Views
That's a good point, yeah... Legolas - 25/08/2010 03:07:30 PM 2607 Views
Maybe they should have had a magical big screen projection of what was going on in the lake lol Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 03:57:48 PM 2708 Views
Re: That's a good point, yeah... Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:39:48 PM 2648 Views
Re: Merpeople and the second task. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:38:55 PM 2614 Views
Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:23:30 PM 2707 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Deadsy - 25/08/2010 05:40:39 PM 2765 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:42:52 PM 2643 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Legolas - 26/08/2010 11:09:20 AM 2660 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Camilla - 26/08/2010 11:17:36 AM 2794 Views
Marauder's Map. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:27:17 AM 2701 Views
Re: Marauder's Map. Camilla - 05/09/2010 10:09:48 AM 2922 Views
Re: Marauder's Map. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 04:44:16 PM 2769 Views
Other comments. *NM* Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:20:11 AM 1454 Views
Two completely unrelated things. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:24:26 PM 2710 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:36:29 PM 2724 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:42:20 PM 2807 Views
Need a cough drop dear? Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:53:26 PM 2691 Views
Re: Need a cough drop dear? Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:55:41 PM 2704 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Legolas - 26/08/2010 11:13:07 AM 2763 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Camilla - 26/08/2010 11:18:42 AM 2656 Views
Second task. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:30:01 AM 2770 Views
Chapters 28-30: Moving towards the climax *NM* Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:37:22 AM 1388 Views
Characters: The Trio, Krum, Karkarov, the Crouch family,... *NM* Legolas - 26/08/2010 12:15:59 PM 1483 Views
Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville Camilla - 26/08/2010 02:48:04 PM 2733 Views
Re: Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville Legolas - 26/08/2010 03:22:14 PM 2705 Views
Re: Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville Camilla - 26/08/2010 03:45:58 PM 2683 Views
Also Camilla - 26/08/2010 10:45:57 PM 2774 Views
Plotting and writing: increasing signs of danger, and revelations about the past. *NM* Legolas - 26/08/2010 12:16:50 PM 1450 Views
Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Camilla - 26/08/2010 02:50:29 PM 2686 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Legolas - 26/08/2010 03:38:53 PM 2928 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Camilla - 26/08/2010 03:51:32 PM 2742 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Legolas - 26/08/2010 04:05:12 PM 2677 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Camilla - 26/08/2010 04:09:12 PM 2742 Views
Yes. Elaine - 27/08/2010 02:02:22 PM 2685 Views
Everything else. *NM* Legolas - 26/08/2010 12:17:07 PM 1457 Views
My favourite category. Two things this time Camilla - 26/08/2010 02:51:16 PM 2589 Views
More owl comments. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:35:49 AM 2705 Views
Chapters 31-33: The third task Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:38:01 AM 2670 Views
Characters: The Trio, the Champions, Voldemort, Wormtail,,... *NM* Legolas - 27/08/2010 01:32:11 PM 1478 Views
Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel Camilla - 27/08/2010 03:50:03 PM 2624 Views
Re: Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel Legolas - 27/08/2010 05:09:48 PM 2599 Views
Re: Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel Camilla - 27/08/2010 05:23:14 PM 2666 Views
It's a good question... the mystery of Voldemort's wand. Legolas - 27/08/2010 06:01:19 PM 2703 Views
Re: It's a good question... the mystery of Voldemort's wand. Camilla - 27/08/2010 06:06:34 PM 2765 Views
Plotting and writing: thrilling action, but also a fair bit of infodump/flashback. *NM* Legolas - 27/08/2010 01:34:13 PM 1461 Views
Stuff happens. Camilla - 27/08/2010 03:50:33 PM 2657 Views
So it does. Legolas - 27/08/2010 05:42:40 PM 2762 Views
Re: So it does. Camilla - 27/08/2010 05:55:33 PM 2684 Views
Re: Stuff happens. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:48:41 AM 2770 Views
Re: Stuff happens. Camilla - 05/09/2010 10:08:49 AM 2705 Views
Riddle Family. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:39:29 AM 2686 Views
No. The three dead bodies are... Legolas - 05/09/2010 12:19:48 PM 2807 Views
Re: No. The three dead bodies are... Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 04:46:26 PM 2778 Views
Anything else to add? *NM* Legolas - 27/08/2010 01:34:39 PM 1440 Views
Naturally Camilla - 27/08/2010 03:50:58 PM 2853 Views
Re: Naturally Legolas - 27/08/2010 06:06:59 PM 2555 Views
Re: Naturally Camilla - 27/08/2010 06:11:26 PM 2973 Views
Chapters 34-37: The climax and the aftermath *NM* Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:38:22 AM 1427 Views
Characters: Well, pretty much all of them, I guess. *NM* Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:04:41 AM 1425 Views
Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione Camilla - 28/08/2010 11:57:25 AM 2750 Views
Re: Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione Legolas - 29/08/2010 03:00:49 PM 2689 Views
Re: Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione Camilla - 29/08/2010 03:11:25 PM 3029 Views
Plotting and writing: tying up, explanations and setting up the future books. *NM* Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:05:33 AM 1438 Views
Revelations and then some Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:02:36 PM 2703 Views
The gleam in Dumbledore's eyes Dark Knight - 28/08/2010 11:26:30 PM 3129 Views
Re: The gleam in Dumbledore's eyes Camilla - 28/08/2010 11:28:35 PM 2920 Views
Re: Revelations and then some Legolas - 29/08/2010 03:22:46 PM 2685 Views
Re: Revelations and then some Camilla - 29/08/2010 03:37:45 PM 2817 Views
Any other thoughts? *NM* Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:06:03 AM 1452 Views
Two questions and one other thing. Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:03:14 PM 2818 Views
Re: Two questions and one other thing. Legolas - 29/08/2010 03:27:02 PM 2983 Views
Re: Two questions and one other thing. Camilla - 29/08/2010 03:31:43 PM 2679 Views
The book as a whole: overall thoughts, comments and obversations Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:39:24 AM 2659 Views
What do/did you think of Rowling's writing in this book? Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:40:03 AM 2771 Views
I think she has more room to display her talent in this book. Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:27:20 AM 2841 Views
I am not sure that is a good thing Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:17:56 PM 2708 Views
Re: I am not sure that is a good thing Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:00:29 PM 2858 Views
Suggestions for the re-read. Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:41:01 AM 2834 Views
Is it possible / easy to make the post an Announcement while it's ongoing? StormCrow - 17/08/2010 03:08:31 PM 2680 Views
Well. Yes. Rebekah - 17/08/2010 06:22:10 PM 2763 Views
Ah! That really helps me too! aria - 17/08/2010 08:00:30 PM 2736 Views
Works for me too. Thanks for the tip! *NM* StormCrow - 17/08/2010 08:13:48 PM 1442 Views
When should we start the next book? And at which pace? Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:09:07 AM 2964 Views
Re: When should we start the next book? And at which pace? Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:05:31 PM 2928 Views
School started and that threw me off. aria - 30/08/2010 09:01:31 PM 2767 Views
Mine was school as well. Seriana Sedai - 01/09/2010 05:33:24 AM 2822 Views
I just haven't checked the messageboards at all recently. Cockatiel of Doom - 03/09/2010 03:28:20 AM 2755 Views
That would be good Camilla - 03/09/2010 08:19:49 AM 2725 Views
I like that idea. Rebekah - 08/09/2010 04:55:49 PM 2703 Views
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