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Re: So it does. Camilla Send a noteboard - 27/08/2010 05:55:33 PM

We also get major development in the Rita-plot. Malfoy is talking to her, then Hermione's moment of epiphany which is very packed with clues despite leaving us hanging.

Yeah, I like how she uses her hands to mimic the things she's thinking about as she comes to the realization. And how Harry and Ron are still clueless.


Yes. It is a neat detail.

I suppose that is why this is the book where it stops being a children's series as far as I am concerned. Yes, it still has many of the elements, but it is bloody scary and it no longer has all the easy morals. The house elf issue becomes very complicated (with the slaves not wanting to be freed), unlike in book 2, and Cedric dies. Right in front of us.

Agreed. Rather appropriately, in the chapter that sees Voldemort return for real at last. From here on out it'll be teenager books more than children's books. Works out nearly for those who were ten or so around the time GoF came out, but not so much for young children nowadays who want to read the series start to finish aged ten, or less... then again, as Anthony Horowitz proves on a regular basis, children really can take some pretty horrific stuff if you do it right.


That is true.

"Kill the spare" (that's what he says, yes? it's "kill the second one" in Dutch) is perhaps even more chilling than the killing itself. Cedric Diggory is a massively talented and promising young wizard, but for Voldemort he's just some random body getting in his way. Showing someone getting killed is dark enough stuff; showing someone getting killed with the killer not even giving a damn is a fair bit darker still.


I know! It is quite startling. There is no reason for his death. It is all about evil, callous, bad evil.

It's more than that: Cedric's death is so sudden. I really, really like this about Rowling. When people die (Cedric, Sirius, Dumbledore…) it happens in an instant. There is no slow motion moment in which you have time to digest it. It is done and it is over. Like blowing out a candle. I like it. It is a strange piece of … realism? in a magical world.

Yeah. And most of those deaths don't happen in a heroic, glorified way either. Dumbledore's death at least wasn't senseless in the sense that it was necessary to put Snape in a position from which to strike when the time was right, but it's far from heroic or glorious. There will be others who do go out with a bang in book seven, but for the most part, credit to Rowling for how she avoids the typical fantasy trap of having people die in exaggeratedly glorious ways.


Indeed.

Plot-wise, we are told of ``the steps I took long ago, to guard myself against mortal death''. It is interesting that he adds ``mortal'' to ``death''. Is it a reference to him dying, but not dying?

That is an odd choice of words, yes... makes sense.


It is striking. I have been reading up on spiritualism lately for my thesis, and they use the same terminology to distinguish between death and the death of the soul. They keep saying things like ``the dead are not dead''.

It is clear that we are supposed to think Snape is the most faithful servant (certainly when coupled with the Hogwarts references -- Karkaroff just does not fit the bill. I remember even after the book was out and they had read the whole, people kept arguing that Snape was the ``most faithful'' servant.

Heh. It's true we only really got certainty - logical certainty, anyway, which lots of people ignored, but still - that Snape was good at the climax of HBP. But making that argument is rather silly, because in the light of the discussions with Wormtail, in the first chapter and now here, surely it has to be Barty Junior.


Actually, the main part of these arguments were after HBP I think. I considered it obvious that Dumbledore had asked him to kill him, of course :|, but others (who shall remain unnamed) didn't agree.
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I thought that might be it. Yeah, different names in the Dutch translation then. *NM* Legolas - 17/08/2010 12:40:45 PM 1433 Views
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The teeth comment was by far the best Snape one liner in the series. StormCrow - 23/08/2010 09:20:18 PM 2675 Views
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No, no, the pudding and the bouillabaisse are two different things. Legolas - 21/08/2010 05:24:50 PM 2610 Views
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Good plotting in this section Camilla - 23/08/2010 11:08:50 AM 2780 Views
Yeah, definitely. Legolas - 23/08/2010 11:46:46 AM 2757 Views
Re: Yeah, definitely. Camilla - 23/08/2010 12:04:55 PM 2694 Views
Anything else you want to comment on? *NM* Legolas - 23/08/2010 10:41:39 AM 1440 Views
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Harry and Ron's fight is properly annoying. Rebekah - 08/09/2010 04:58:59 PM 3402 Views
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Makes sense. Legolas - 24/08/2010 01:15:37 PM 2640 Views
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Re: Makes sense. Legolas - 24/08/2010 05:00:59 PM 2706 Views
Re: Makes sense. Camilla - 24/08/2010 05:19:34 PM 2831 Views
Re: Makes sense. Legolas - 25/08/2010 12:15:12 AM 2792 Views
Fred and George. Legolas - 24/08/2010 02:30:22 PM 2746 Views
Re: Fred and George. Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:17:10 PM 2866 Views
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Whatever else you want to say about these three chapters. *NM* Legolas - 24/08/2010 11:12:33 AM 1516 Views
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Ron's lasso comment is brilliant. Absolute genius. Legolas - 24/08/2010 02:23:37 PM 2704 Views
Lasso comment? Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:20:35 PM 2737 Views
When discussing methods to separate girls from their gang. Legolas - 24/08/2010 04:27:47 PM 2710 Views
Ah. Hehe. Yes. Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:30:34 PM 2779 Views
It's not really a humourous pun, just a nice find by the translator. Legolas - 24/08/2010 04:45:34 PM 2906 Views
Re: It's not really a humourous pun, just a nice find by the translator. Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:48:50 PM 2757 Views
Holy crap. Elaine - 25/08/2010 02:44:57 PM 2684 Views
Yeah, I don't know if the Google pictures are entirely representative... Legolas - 25/08/2010 03:06:25 PM 2787 Views
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You may be disappointed when trying to buy one, then. Legolas - 25/08/2010 04:23:57 PM 2891 Views
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I'm a bit worried about people's reactions to Snape during these discussions Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:41:43 PM 2900 Views
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Agreed. Snape is one of the most fascinating characters I have ever read Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:57:12 PM 2754 Views
Re: Snape, Percy, Hermione, Ron, Mrs Weasley and Sirius. Legolas - 26/08/2010 10:44:34 AM 2830 Views
Re: Snape, Percy, Hermione, Ron, Mrs Weasley and Sirius. Camilla - 26/08/2010 10:51:21 AM 2633 Views
Fleur shows that, when push comes to shove, she has her priorities straight. Legolas - 26/08/2010 10:54:11 AM 2558 Views
Re: Fleur shows that, when push comes to shove, she has her priorities straight. Camilla - 26/08/2010 11:21:59 AM 2707 Views
Makes more sense now. Seriana Sedai - 28/08/2010 05:00:26 AM 2646 Views
Re: Makes more sense now. Camilla - 28/08/2010 09:28:07 AM 2699 Views
Plotting and writing: clues, red herrings and recapitulation *NM* Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:19:47 AM 1452 Views
Merpeople and the second task. Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:34:40 AM 2711 Views
And something else I never understood about the second task Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 02:32:51 PM 2743 Views
That's a good point, yeah... Legolas - 25/08/2010 03:07:30 PM 2608 Views
Maybe they should have had a magical big screen projection of what was going on in the lake lol Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 03:57:48 PM 2710 Views
Re: That's a good point, yeah... Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:39:48 PM 2649 Views
Re: Merpeople and the second task. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:38:55 PM 2614 Views
Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:23:30 PM 2707 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Deadsy - 25/08/2010 05:40:39 PM 2765 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:42:52 PM 2646 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Legolas - 26/08/2010 11:09:20 AM 2660 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Camilla - 26/08/2010 11:17:36 AM 2795 Views
Marauder's Map. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:27:17 AM 2702 Views
Re: Marauder's Map. Camilla - 05/09/2010 10:09:48 AM 2924 Views
Re: Marauder's Map. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 04:44:16 PM 2770 Views
Other comments. *NM* Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:20:11 AM 1456 Views
Two completely unrelated things. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:24:26 PM 2710 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:36:29 PM 2726 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:42:20 PM 2807 Views
Need a cough drop dear? Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:53:26 PM 2694 Views
Re: Need a cough drop dear? Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:55:41 PM 2707 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Legolas - 26/08/2010 11:13:07 AM 2765 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Camilla - 26/08/2010 11:18:42 AM 2657 Views
Second task. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:30:01 AM 2772 Views
Chapters 28-30: Moving towards the climax *NM* Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:37:22 AM 1390 Views
Characters: The Trio, Krum, Karkarov, the Crouch family,... *NM* Legolas - 26/08/2010 12:15:59 PM 1485 Views
Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville Camilla - 26/08/2010 02:48:04 PM 2734 Views
Re: Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville Legolas - 26/08/2010 03:22:14 PM 2707 Views
Re: Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville Camilla - 26/08/2010 03:45:58 PM 2684 Views
Also Camilla - 26/08/2010 10:45:57 PM 2775 Views
Plotting and writing: increasing signs of danger, and revelations about the past. *NM* Legolas - 26/08/2010 12:16:50 PM 1452 Views
Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Camilla - 26/08/2010 02:50:29 PM 2687 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Legolas - 26/08/2010 03:38:53 PM 2928 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Camilla - 26/08/2010 03:51:32 PM 2742 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Legolas - 26/08/2010 04:05:12 PM 2677 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Camilla - 26/08/2010 04:09:12 PM 2744 Views
Yes. Elaine - 27/08/2010 02:02:22 PM 2686 Views
Everything else. *NM* Legolas - 26/08/2010 12:17:07 PM 1459 Views
My favourite category. Two things this time Camilla - 26/08/2010 02:51:16 PM 2591 Views
More owl comments. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:35:49 AM 2707 Views
Chapters 31-33: The third task Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:38:01 AM 2670 Views
Characters: The Trio, the Champions, Voldemort, Wormtail,,... *NM* Legolas - 27/08/2010 01:32:11 PM 1478 Views
Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel Camilla - 27/08/2010 03:50:03 PM 2626 Views
Re: Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel Legolas - 27/08/2010 05:09:48 PM 2599 Views
Re: Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel Camilla - 27/08/2010 05:23:14 PM 2667 Views
It's a good question... the mystery of Voldemort's wand. Legolas - 27/08/2010 06:01:19 PM 2704 Views
Re: It's a good question... the mystery of Voldemort's wand. Camilla - 27/08/2010 06:06:34 PM 2765 Views
Plotting and writing: thrilling action, but also a fair bit of infodump/flashback. *NM* Legolas - 27/08/2010 01:34:13 PM 1462 Views
Stuff happens. Camilla - 27/08/2010 03:50:33 PM 2658 Views
So it does. Legolas - 27/08/2010 05:42:40 PM 2762 Views
Re: So it does. Camilla - 27/08/2010 05:55:33 PM 2685 Views
Re: Stuff happens. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:48:41 AM 2770 Views
Re: Stuff happens. Camilla - 05/09/2010 10:08:49 AM 2705 Views
Riddle Family. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:39:29 AM 2688 Views
No. The three dead bodies are... Legolas - 05/09/2010 12:19:48 PM 2809 Views
Re: No. The three dead bodies are... Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 04:46:26 PM 2779 Views
Anything else to add? *NM* Legolas - 27/08/2010 01:34:39 PM 1442 Views
Naturally Camilla - 27/08/2010 03:50:58 PM 2856 Views
Re: Naturally Legolas - 27/08/2010 06:06:59 PM 2557 Views
Re: Naturally Camilla - 27/08/2010 06:11:26 PM 2973 Views
Chapters 34-37: The climax and the aftermath *NM* Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:38:22 AM 1428 Views
Characters: Well, pretty much all of them, I guess. *NM* Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:04:41 AM 1426 Views
Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione Camilla - 28/08/2010 11:57:25 AM 2750 Views
Re: Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione Legolas - 29/08/2010 03:00:49 PM 2691 Views
Re: Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione Camilla - 29/08/2010 03:11:25 PM 3031 Views
Plotting and writing: tying up, explanations and setting up the future books. *NM* Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:05:33 AM 1438 Views
Revelations and then some Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:02:36 PM 2703 Views
The gleam in Dumbledore's eyes Dark Knight - 28/08/2010 11:26:30 PM 3129 Views
Re: The gleam in Dumbledore's eyes Camilla - 28/08/2010 11:28:35 PM 2921 Views
Re: Revelations and then some Legolas - 29/08/2010 03:22:46 PM 2689 Views
Re: Revelations and then some Camilla - 29/08/2010 03:37:45 PM 2819 Views
Any other thoughts? *NM* Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:06:03 AM 1453 Views
Two questions and one other thing. Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:03:14 PM 2819 Views
Re: Two questions and one other thing. Legolas - 29/08/2010 03:27:02 PM 2984 Views
Re: Two questions and one other thing. Camilla - 29/08/2010 03:31:43 PM 2680 Views
The book as a whole: overall thoughts, comments and obversations Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:39:24 AM 2659 Views
What do/did you think of Rowling's writing in this book? Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:40:03 AM 2772 Views
I think she has more room to display her talent in this book. Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:27:20 AM 2843 Views
I am not sure that is a good thing Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:17:56 PM 2711 Views
Re: I am not sure that is a good thing Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:00:29 PM 2859 Views
Suggestions for the re-read. Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:41:01 AM 2836 Views
Is it possible / easy to make the post an Announcement while it's ongoing? StormCrow - 17/08/2010 03:08:31 PM 2682 Views
Well. Yes. Rebekah - 17/08/2010 06:22:10 PM 2764 Views
Ah! That really helps me too! aria - 17/08/2010 08:00:30 PM 2737 Views
Works for me too. Thanks for the tip! *NM* StormCrow - 17/08/2010 08:13:48 PM 1442 Views
When should we start the next book? And at which pace? Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:09:07 AM 2965 Views
Re: When should we start the next book? And at which pace? Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:05:31 PM 2928 Views
School started and that threw me off. aria - 30/08/2010 09:01:31 PM 2769 Views
Mine was school as well. Seriana Sedai - 01/09/2010 05:33:24 AM 2822 Views
I just haven't checked the messageboards at all recently. Cockatiel of Doom - 03/09/2010 03:28:20 AM 2756 Views
That would be good Camilla - 03/09/2010 08:19:49 AM 2726 Views
I like that idea. Rebekah - 08/09/2010 04:55:49 PM 2706 Views
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