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No Camilla Send a noteboard - 18/09/2009 10:09:02 AM
you can leave plot progression alone if you do it for character development or pretty language or one of the myriad other things that makes fiction good.

Shawls and bootblack, not so much.
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Why is it that so many people hate Dan Brown? Tom - 14/09/2009 09:24:31 PM 2366 Views
His prose is bad. Very bad. Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:28:28 PM 1208 Views
It's not any worse than Robert Jordan's prose. I'd say it's better, in fact. Tom - 14/09/2009 09:30:17 PM 1079 Views
Re: It's not any worse than Robert Jordan's prose. I'd say it's better, in fact. Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:32:44 PM 1236 Views
In defense of italics... smaug - 14/09/2009 11:58:35 PM 1154 Views
Re: In defense of italics... Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:02:56 AM 1177 Views
I just rechecked... smaug - 15/09/2009 11:17:23 AM 1085 Views
Thereby... Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:31:44 PM 1118 Views
I have a problem with comparing those italics. Rebekah - 15/09/2009 10:33:53 PM 1123 Views
Oh probably Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:40:15 PM 1136 Views
Hehe Rebekah - 15/09/2009 10:42:23 PM 1193 Views
In defense of nothing in particular... smaug - 15/09/2009 11:16:09 PM 1197 Views
Ah. Leroux did publish it as a serial in magazine first so that makes sense. *NM* Rebekah - 15/09/2009 11:19:40 PM 527 Views
Re: Thereby... Camilla - 16/09/2009 10:40:18 AM 1266 Views
I love that line, and nothing you say will change that. Legolas - 15/09/2009 11:15:29 PM 1084 Views
That line is great smaug - 15/09/2009 11:21:03 PM 1118 Views
Jordan didn't have the good sense TO FINISH ANY FUCKING PLOT THREAD Tom - 15/09/2009 04:46:06 AM 1105 Views
Wow, the vehemence. Craig - 15/09/2009 05:55:38 AM 1132 Views
Riddle me this, Batman - if he weren't dying, would he have even done that? *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 01:53:57 PM 633 Views
Yes. Werthead - 15/09/2009 03:38:34 PM 1109 Views
burn *NM* LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:24:49 PM 515 Views
Relevant post as always Celia *NM* Walker_Boh - 15/09/2009 11:36:34 PM 607 Views
So you say... Tom - 16/09/2009 02:17:47 AM 1092 Views
No, he didn't. Werthead - 16/09/2009 04:44:31 AM 1172 Views
Re: Jordan didn't have the good sense TO FINISH ANY FUCKING PLOT THREAD Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:05:26 AM 1123 Views
His attitude to history isn't really any different from that of most writers Tom - 15/09/2009 01:54:55 PM 1096 Views
Except Camilla - 15/09/2009 04:56:23 PM 1100 Views
And ALSO except Tom - 17/09/2009 02:59:03 PM 1198 Views
Re: And ALSO except Camilla - 17/09/2009 05:27:40 PM 1098 Views
I vehemently disagree with this! Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:33:05 PM 1386 Views
How many chapters of Aes Sedai dresses and horse names did we go through in his books? Tom - 15/09/2009 04:45:04 AM 1137 Views
I'd have a slow moving plot to fast moving nonsense any day. fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 05:36:20 AM 1190 Views
With Jordan, that movement was glacial Tom - 15/09/2009 01:58:08 PM 1094 Views
so...your problem with jordan is that you're impatient? LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:26:07 PM 1049 Views
How many of us can say we're not antsy to know what happened? nossy - 15/09/2009 05:03:24 PM 1099 Views
So plot progression is all that matters? What about the other stuff I mentioned? *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 04:50:06 PM 516 Views
Jordan's characters are just as two-dimensional as Brown's Tom - 16/09/2009 02:17:19 AM 1065 Views
Bull... fionwe1987 - 16/09/2009 03:15:49 AM 1095 Views
No, I think you're just blinded by liking WoT Tom - 17/09/2009 03:00:28 PM 1064 Views
No, you seem to be blinded by disliking him, more like. Legolas - 17/09/2009 06:25:21 PM 1077 Views
It's not hyperbole. Tom - 17/09/2009 08:13:47 PM 1098 Views
Yes, it is, and you're really going to have to back your stance up with arguments. Legolas - 17/09/2009 09:21:56 PM 1132 Views
No it isn't, and I won't. I'm bored with this debate. *NM* Tom - 18/09/2009 02:57:00 PM 559 Views
Yeah like that's not the case with you and Dan Brown. fionwe1987 - 17/09/2009 06:56:37 PM 1138 Views
I don't think Dan Brown is a stellar writer. Tom - 17/09/2009 08:11:41 PM 1078 Views
Heh. It was "favourite" fantasy series not "best". Rebekah - 17/09/2009 08:19:02 PM 1077 Views
Then why defend him? fionwe1987 - 18/09/2009 12:14:35 AM 1052 Views
No Camilla - 18/09/2009 10:09:02 AM 1207 Views
Examples. Werthead - 17/09/2009 01:53:21 AM 1281 Views
LOL Rebekah - 17/09/2009 03:16:23 PM 1128 Views
Because he is shit? Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:38:59 PM 1345 Views
Camilla, you've read shit before and liked it. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:43:24 AM 1125 Views
Re: Camilla, you've read shit before and liked it. Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:04:18 AM 1092 Views
Yes, I was talking about the book. Tom - 15/09/2009 01:58:54 PM 1051 Views
Re: Yes, I was talking about the book. Camilla - 15/09/2009 04:56:53 PM 1028 Views
Also Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:41:25 PM 1141 Views
Hate is a strong word. PhotoJim - 14/09/2009 09:44:02 PM 1198 Views
Nicely put. *NM* Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:46:03 PM 537 Views
*NM* Tashmere - 15/09/2009 04:16:35 AM 549 Views
He still didn't dick around with us as long as Robert Jordan did. *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 04:41:01 AM 562 Views
I'm not disagreeing with you on that one. *NM* PhotoJim - 15/09/2009 12:12:52 PM 582 Views
Elitism and frustration he sells so much and better authors don't? Legolas - 14/09/2009 09:51:39 PM 1044 Views
I think so. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:40:20 AM 1104 Views
you thought meyers was entertaining???? LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:28:48 PM 1061 Views
You thought it wasn't entertaining? Darth_Katie - 15/09/2009 07:42:06 PM 1067 Views
I would phrase that 'better' authors Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:29:54 PM 1081 Views
Okay, fair enough. Legolas - 15/09/2009 11:16:56 PM 1030 Views
Given that I know nothing about Dan Brown nossy - 14/09/2009 09:54:15 PM 1192 Views
Pfft! ~locks your reply~ Rebekah - 14/09/2009 10:00:23 PM 1094 Views
ooo, lock me baby! nossy - 14/09/2009 10:12:48 PM 1166 Views
A couple of the above points, and Suspension of Disbelief. Craig - 14/09/2009 10:23:26 PM 1158 Views
Good point about the "Ridiculous Things", that bugged me too. Legolas - 14/09/2009 10:35:32 PM 1206 Views
there is a difference between a book, which is a respectable medium, and a hollywood movie. jh - 14/09/2009 10:41:06 PM 1057 Views
There is really only a difference if you're looking for some higher learnin' nossy - 14/09/2009 10:52:39 PM 1139 Views
That statement makes no sense. *NM* jh - 14/09/2009 10:55:53 PM 437 Views
She must have been reading too much Dan Brown. Rebekah - 14/09/2009 10:58:51 PM 1074 Views
Yes it does nossy - 14/09/2009 11:00:41 PM 1050 Views
Only to the strangest of elitists. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/09/2009 12:49:53 AM 572 Views
Go read screenplays for fun, populist. *NM* jh - 15/09/2009 10:20:01 AM 580 Views
Ghavrel - 15/09/2009 06:25:26 PM 1079 Views
Oh, I am sorry. jh - 16/09/2009 11:11:07 AM 962 Views
Well... Craig - 14/09/2009 11:16:00 PM 1055 Views
I accept your points, but also your final statement Tom - 15/09/2009 04:38:46 AM 1062 Views
More to the point then... people don't really need a good reason to hate something in particular. Craig - 15/09/2009 06:00:33 AM 1125 Views
You didn't even like him as Mugatu in Zoolander? *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 01:47:57 PM 543 Views
Now, now. Craig - 15/09/2009 07:03:48 PM 1050 Views
Suspension of disbelief is a relative thing random thoughts - 15/09/2009 11:25:32 PM 1137 Views
Damn near everything is a relative thing. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:25:48 AM 1125 Views
I'm indifferent to him Larry - 15/09/2009 01:14:37 AM 1112 Views
If you're indifferent, you are apparently in a minority. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:36:28 AM 1080 Views
To put Brown's mediocrity in perspective, read Da Vinci and then Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco. *NM* RandAllThor - 15/09/2009 01:32:11 AM 557 Views
Eh, I enjoyed DaVinci better. You can all crucify me now. Craig - 15/09/2009 01:49:28 AM 1038 Views
Re: Eh, I enjoyed DaVinci better. You can all crucify me now. RandAllThor - 15/09/2009 01:54:17 AM 1188 Views
Re: Rose Craig - 15/09/2009 02:16:53 AM 1075 Views
As someone who appreciated Foucault's Pendulum I don't argue his mediocrity. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:30:31 AM 939 Views
I agree with your last sentence strongly. Joker - 26/09/2009 08:18:42 PM 1291 Views
I don't hate him, and I've never read any of his books Brian - 15/09/2009 01:45:37 AM 1048 Views
He was over hyped to me. Tashmere - 15/09/2009 04:15:32 AM 1066 Views
Da Vinci, not "Da Vinchi". The latter would be pronounced like "Da Vinki" in English. *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 04:32:40 AM 538 Views
I will fix it for for you. I just didn't care enough to look up the spelling on it. Tashmere - 15/09/2009 02:49:08 PM 1155 Views
I agree it was way overhyped. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:12:39 AM 1008 Views
Heh, I actually had the opposite. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:26:55 AM 1099 Views
The thing I hate the most is actually the fans who suddenly "know" stuff.... Sophy - 15/09/2009 07:49:22 AM 1218 Views
Yes! *NM* Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:06:35 AM 528 Views
I try to avoid stupid people like that altogether Tom - 15/09/2009 01:49:53 PM 1008 Views
And move to a deserted island? Sophy - 15/09/2009 02:33:01 PM 1283 Views
Those people are everywhere, but you don't have to talk to them Tom - 17/09/2009 03:02:24 PM 1148 Views
Lol. I agree wholeheartedly. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:17:51 AM 1118 Views
My take on why Dan Brown is so disliked. MightyYT - 15/09/2009 08:51:04 AM 1170 Views
As I've said before, I don't disagree that he's a mediocre writer Tom - 15/09/2009 01:52:23 PM 1047 Views
He 'true' book claims 5 million women were killed during the witch hunt AgentOrange - 15/09/2009 11:55:40 AM 1059 Views
I would hardly say I hate him Mark - 15/09/2009 02:33:13 PM 1111 Views
I think it's more the totally inexplicable nature of his success Werthead - 15/09/2009 03:48:28 PM 1211 Views
Eragon and Twilight indicate all that is evil to me in the world LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:33:29 PM 1195 Views
I hardly think it's that inexplicable. Legolas - 15/09/2009 04:33:39 PM 1065 Views
Honestly, his works play on a very basic fact of human psychology., everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:23:56 AM 1154 Views
Misplaced superiority. Jacob - 15/09/2009 05:10:34 PM 1119 Views
Well, regarding goodkind... jh - 15/09/2009 05:23:34 PM 1086 Views
I couldn't say... Jacob - 15/09/2009 05:57:12 PM 1167 Views
well, you stuck with the poor quality books longer than me. *NM* jh - 16/09/2009 12:39:23 AM 541 Views
It's pure literary snobbery Wibble - 15/09/2009 11:08:44 PM 1115 Views
I agree with you 100%. Tom - 16/09/2009 02:20:11 AM 1020 Views
Very nice summary. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:32:38 AM 1182 Views
That's more than a little unfair. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:29:59 AM 1046 Views
Dan Brown is a snob. Sophy - 16/09/2009 06:32:21 AM 1217 Views
Where does the rule come from that you can't read good books while travelling? It is nonsense! Camilla - 18/09/2009 10:16:56 AM 1301 Views
because all of the cool kids hate him random thoughts - 15/09/2009 11:17:29 PM 972 Views
He has an enormous schwanzstucker. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 16/09/2009 01:18:37 AM 763 Views
I figured that'd set most guys against him. *NM* rebelaessedai - 16/09/2009 01:51:56 AM 559 Views
I don't get it either. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:01:04 AM 1033 Views
I think you'll appreciate this Tom Geoff - 16/09/2009 03:03:24 PM 1297 Views
Hmm. The sneerathon seems like a good idea. jh - 16/09/2009 03:52:15 PM 1066 Views
That was lovely, thank you! Tom - 17/09/2009 03:04:46 PM 1061 Views
My pleasure Geoff - 17/09/2009 03:58:31 PM 1199 Views
I don't. I think he's just average, though occasionally fun for an easy read/skim *NM* IndigoAjah - 17/09/2009 12:39:05 AM 568 Views
Plenty of them probably don't. They just don't have the guts to say what they truly think. *NM* Vodalus - 17/09/2009 10:10:39 PM 517 Views
And yet there's still no "Why do so many people hate Faile?" post on the WoT board... *NM* TaskmasterJack - 18/09/2009 04:05:26 PM 771 Views
How do you know? *NM* jh - 18/09/2009 04:57:15 PM 564 Views
I pop in there on occasion. TaskmasterJack - 18/09/2009 05:09:59 PM 1410 Views
Oh, it's a job. jh - 18/09/2009 07:35:32 PM 1177 Views
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