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No Camilla Send a noteboard - 18/09/2009 10:09:02 AM
you can leave plot progression alone if you do it for character development or pretty language or one of the myriad other things that makes fiction good.

Shawls and bootblack, not so much.
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Why is it that so many people hate Dan Brown? Tom - 14/09/2009 09:24:31 PM 2444 Views
His prose is bad. Very bad. Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:28:28 PM 1309 Views
It's not any worse than Robert Jordan's prose. I'd say it's better, in fact. Tom - 14/09/2009 09:30:17 PM 1179 Views
Re: It's not any worse than Robert Jordan's prose. I'd say it's better, in fact. Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:32:44 PM 1334 Views
In defense of italics... smaug - 14/09/2009 11:58:35 PM 1259 Views
Re: In defense of italics... Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:02:56 AM 1266 Views
I just rechecked... smaug - 15/09/2009 11:17:23 AM 1175 Views
Thereby... Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:31:44 PM 1199 Views
I have a problem with comparing those italics. Rebekah - 15/09/2009 10:33:53 PM 1208 Views
Oh probably Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:40:15 PM 1205 Views
Hehe Rebekah - 15/09/2009 10:42:23 PM 1298 Views
In defense of nothing in particular... smaug - 15/09/2009 11:16:09 PM 1271 Views
Ah. Leroux did publish it as a serial in magazine first so that makes sense. *NM* Rebekah - 15/09/2009 11:19:40 PM 578 Views
Re: Thereby... Camilla - 16/09/2009 10:40:18 AM 1347 Views
I love that line, and nothing you say will change that. Legolas - 15/09/2009 11:15:29 PM 1194 Views
That line is great smaug - 15/09/2009 11:21:03 PM 1216 Views
Jordan didn't have the good sense TO FINISH ANY FUCKING PLOT THREAD Tom - 15/09/2009 04:46:06 AM 1188 Views
Wow, the vehemence. Craig - 15/09/2009 05:55:38 AM 1254 Views
Riddle me this, Batman - if he weren't dying, would he have even done that? *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 01:53:57 PM 680 Views
Yes. Werthead - 15/09/2009 03:38:34 PM 1187 Views
burn *NM* LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:24:49 PM 559 Views
Relevant post as always Celia *NM* Walker_Boh - 15/09/2009 11:36:34 PM 638 Views
So you say... Tom - 16/09/2009 02:17:47 AM 1177 Views
No, he didn't. Werthead - 16/09/2009 04:44:31 AM 1254 Views
Re: Jordan didn't have the good sense TO FINISH ANY FUCKING PLOT THREAD Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:05:26 AM 1202 Views
His attitude to history isn't really any different from that of most writers Tom - 15/09/2009 01:54:55 PM 1194 Views
Except Camilla - 15/09/2009 04:56:23 PM 1196 Views
And ALSO except Tom - 17/09/2009 02:59:03 PM 1288 Views
Re: And ALSO except Camilla - 17/09/2009 05:27:40 PM 1196 Views
I vehemently disagree with this! Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:33:05 PM 1466 Views
How many chapters of Aes Sedai dresses and horse names did we go through in his books? Tom - 15/09/2009 04:45:04 AM 1232 Views
I'd have a slow moving plot to fast moving nonsense any day. fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 05:36:20 AM 1294 Views
With Jordan, that movement was glacial Tom - 15/09/2009 01:58:08 PM 1179 Views
so...your problem with jordan is that you're impatient? LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:26:07 PM 1134 Views
How many of us can say we're not antsy to know what happened? nossy - 15/09/2009 05:03:24 PM 1192 Views
So plot progression is all that matters? What about the other stuff I mentioned? *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 04:50:06 PM 570 Views
Jordan's characters are just as two-dimensional as Brown's Tom - 16/09/2009 02:17:19 AM 1153 Views
Bull... fionwe1987 - 16/09/2009 03:15:49 AM 1168 Views
No, I think you're just blinded by liking WoT Tom - 17/09/2009 03:00:28 PM 1152 Views
No, you seem to be blinded by disliking him, more like. Legolas - 17/09/2009 06:25:21 PM 1163 Views
It's not hyperbole. Tom - 17/09/2009 08:13:47 PM 1181 Views
Yes, it is, and you're really going to have to back your stance up with arguments. Legolas - 17/09/2009 09:21:56 PM 1220 Views
No it isn't, and I won't. I'm bored with this debate. *NM* Tom - 18/09/2009 02:57:00 PM 601 Views
Yeah like that's not the case with you and Dan Brown. fionwe1987 - 17/09/2009 06:56:37 PM 1226 Views
I don't think Dan Brown is a stellar writer. Tom - 17/09/2009 08:11:41 PM 1185 Views
Heh. It was "favourite" fantasy series not "best". Rebekah - 17/09/2009 08:19:02 PM 1154 Views
Then why defend him? fionwe1987 - 18/09/2009 12:14:35 AM 1140 Views
No Camilla - 18/09/2009 10:09:02 AM 1302 Views
Examples. Werthead - 17/09/2009 01:53:21 AM 1385 Views
LOL Rebekah - 17/09/2009 03:16:23 PM 1213 Views
Because he is shit? Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:38:59 PM 1445 Views
Camilla, you've read shit before and liked it. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:43:24 AM 1217 Views
Re: Camilla, you've read shit before and liked it. Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:04:18 AM 1174 Views
Yes, I was talking about the book. Tom - 15/09/2009 01:58:54 PM 1163 Views
Re: Yes, I was talking about the book. Camilla - 15/09/2009 04:56:53 PM 1110 Views
Also Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:41:25 PM 1227 Views
Hate is a strong word. PhotoJim - 14/09/2009 09:44:02 PM 1286 Views
Nicely put. *NM* Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:46:03 PM 580 Views
*NM* Tashmere - 15/09/2009 04:16:35 AM 599 Views
He still didn't dick around with us as long as Robert Jordan did. *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 04:41:01 AM 607 Views
I'm not disagreeing with you on that one. *NM* PhotoJim - 15/09/2009 12:12:52 PM 636 Views
Elitism and frustration he sells so much and better authors don't? Legolas - 14/09/2009 09:51:39 PM 1135 Views
I think so. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:40:20 AM 1228 Views
you thought meyers was entertaining???? LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:28:48 PM 1151 Views
You thought it wasn't entertaining? Darth_Katie - 15/09/2009 07:42:06 PM 1147 Views
I would phrase that 'better' authors Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:29:54 PM 1157 Views
Okay, fair enough. Legolas - 15/09/2009 11:16:56 PM 1119 Views
Given that I know nothing about Dan Brown nossy - 14/09/2009 09:54:15 PM 1270 Views
Pfft! ~locks your reply~ Rebekah - 14/09/2009 10:00:23 PM 1174 Views
ooo, lock me baby! nossy - 14/09/2009 10:12:48 PM 1239 Views
A couple of the above points, and Suspension of Disbelief. Craig - 14/09/2009 10:23:26 PM 1246 Views
Good point about the "Ridiculous Things", that bugged me too. Legolas - 14/09/2009 10:35:32 PM 1288 Views
there is a difference between a book, which is a respectable medium, and a hollywood movie. jh - 14/09/2009 10:41:06 PM 1167 Views
There is really only a difference if you're looking for some higher learnin' nossy - 14/09/2009 10:52:39 PM 1234 Views
That statement makes no sense. *NM* jh - 14/09/2009 10:55:53 PM 498 Views
She must have been reading too much Dan Brown. Rebekah - 14/09/2009 10:58:51 PM 1144 Views
Yes it does nossy - 14/09/2009 11:00:41 PM 1140 Views
Only to the strangest of elitists. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/09/2009 12:49:53 AM 622 Views
Go read screenplays for fun, populist. *NM* jh - 15/09/2009 10:20:01 AM 624 Views
Ghavrel - 15/09/2009 06:25:26 PM 1165 Views
Oh, I am sorry. jh - 16/09/2009 11:11:07 AM 1056 Views
Well... Craig - 14/09/2009 11:16:00 PM 1147 Views
I accept your points, but also your final statement Tom - 15/09/2009 04:38:46 AM 1138 Views
More to the point then... people don't really need a good reason to hate something in particular. Craig - 15/09/2009 06:00:33 AM 1215 Views
You didn't even like him as Mugatu in Zoolander? *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 01:47:57 PM 578 Views
Now, now. Craig - 15/09/2009 07:03:48 PM 1143 Views
Suspension of disbelief is a relative thing random thoughts - 15/09/2009 11:25:32 PM 1223 Views
Damn near everything is a relative thing. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:25:48 AM 1190 Views
I'm indifferent to him Larry - 15/09/2009 01:14:37 AM 1192 Views
If you're indifferent, you are apparently in a minority. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:36:28 AM 1151 Views
To put Brown's mediocrity in perspective, read Da Vinci and then Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco. *NM* RandAllThor - 15/09/2009 01:32:11 AM 603 Views
Eh, I enjoyed DaVinci better. You can all crucify me now. Craig - 15/09/2009 01:49:28 AM 1126 Views
Re: Eh, I enjoyed DaVinci better. You can all crucify me now. RandAllThor - 15/09/2009 01:54:17 AM 1281 Views
Re: Rose Craig - 15/09/2009 02:16:53 AM 1148 Views
As someone who appreciated Foucault's Pendulum I don't argue his mediocrity. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:30:31 AM 1028 Views
I agree with your last sentence strongly. Joker - 26/09/2009 08:18:42 PM 1378 Views
I don't hate him, and I've never read any of his books Brian - 15/09/2009 01:45:37 AM 1144 Views
He was over hyped to me. Tashmere - 15/09/2009 04:15:32 AM 1168 Views
Da Vinci, not "Da Vinchi". The latter would be pronounced like "Da Vinki" in English. *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 04:32:40 AM 577 Views
I will fix it for for you. I just didn't care enough to look up the spelling on it. Tashmere - 15/09/2009 02:49:08 PM 1258 Views
I agree it was way overhyped. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:12:39 AM 1097 Views
Heh, I actually had the opposite. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:26:55 AM 1183 Views
The thing I hate the most is actually the fans who suddenly "know" stuff.... Sophy - 15/09/2009 07:49:22 AM 1302 Views
Yes! *NM* Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:06:35 AM 575 Views
I try to avoid stupid people like that altogether Tom - 15/09/2009 01:49:53 PM 1091 Views
And move to a deserted island? Sophy - 15/09/2009 02:33:01 PM 1377 Views
Those people are everywhere, but you don't have to talk to them Tom - 17/09/2009 03:02:24 PM 1229 Views
Lol. I agree wholeheartedly. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:17:51 AM 1223 Views
My take on why Dan Brown is so disliked. MightyYT - 15/09/2009 08:51:04 AM 1271 Views
As I've said before, I don't disagree that he's a mediocre writer Tom - 15/09/2009 01:52:23 PM 1151 Views
He 'true' book claims 5 million women were killed during the witch hunt AgentOrange - 15/09/2009 11:55:40 AM 1146 Views
I would hardly say I hate him Mark - 15/09/2009 02:33:13 PM 1213 Views
I think it's more the totally inexplicable nature of his success Werthead - 15/09/2009 03:48:28 PM 1297 Views
Eragon and Twilight indicate all that is evil to me in the world LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:33:29 PM 1280 Views
I hardly think it's that inexplicable. Legolas - 15/09/2009 04:33:39 PM 1146 Views
Honestly, his works play on a very basic fact of human psychology., everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:23:56 AM 1277 Views
Misplaced superiority. Jacob - 15/09/2009 05:10:34 PM 1203 Views
Well, regarding goodkind... jh - 15/09/2009 05:23:34 PM 1209 Views
I couldn't say... Jacob - 15/09/2009 05:57:12 PM 1231 Views
well, you stuck with the poor quality books longer than me. *NM* jh - 16/09/2009 12:39:23 AM 580 Views
It's pure literary snobbery Wibble - 15/09/2009 11:08:44 PM 1224 Views
I agree with you 100%. Tom - 16/09/2009 02:20:11 AM 1103 Views
Very nice summary. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:32:38 AM 1269 Views
That's more than a little unfair. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:29:59 AM 1166 Views
Dan Brown is a snob. Sophy - 16/09/2009 06:32:21 AM 1334 Views
Where does the rule come from that you can't read good books while travelling? It is nonsense! Camilla - 18/09/2009 10:16:56 AM 1381 Views
because all of the cool kids hate him random thoughts - 15/09/2009 11:17:29 PM 1054 Views
He has an enormous schwanzstucker. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 16/09/2009 01:18:37 AM 811 Views
I figured that'd set most guys against him. *NM* rebelaessedai - 16/09/2009 01:51:56 AM 605 Views
I don't get it either. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:01:04 AM 1121 Views
I think you'll appreciate this Tom Geoff - 16/09/2009 03:03:24 PM 1388 Views
Hmm. The sneerathon seems like a good idea. jh - 16/09/2009 03:52:15 PM 1164 Views
That was lovely, thank you! Tom - 17/09/2009 03:04:46 PM 1144 Views
My pleasure Geoff - 17/09/2009 03:58:31 PM 1295 Views
I don't. I think he's just average, though occasionally fun for an easy read/skim *NM* IndigoAjah - 17/09/2009 12:39:05 AM 611 Views
Plenty of them probably don't. They just don't have the guts to say what they truly think. *NM* Vodalus - 17/09/2009 10:10:39 PM 563 Views
And yet there's still no "Why do so many people hate Faile?" post on the WoT board... *NM* TaskmasterJack - 18/09/2009 04:05:26 PM 810 Views
How do you know? *NM* jh - 18/09/2009 04:57:15 PM 603 Views
I pop in there on occasion. TaskmasterJack - 18/09/2009 05:09:59 PM 1522 Views
Oh, it's a job. jh - 18/09/2009 07:35:32 PM 1276 Views
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