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But it is a material artifact of a culture Larry Send a noteboard - 07/12/2009 12:47:45 AM
I'm just merely acknowledging that and that literature is one of several ways that people relate their hopes, fears, dreams, and aspirations (among other things) for others to interpret and to consider. If that is hubris...strange...



It is when you reduce it to the material conditions that I get a problem.


When I say "material culture," I'm not thinking of materialism in the same sense that a traditional Marxist would. I'm referring to it being a physical manifestation of societal concerns, goals, etc. Nothing more than that. I'm too religious to be a materialist, after all :P
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

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Since people are weighing in on that best fantasy list I posted, how many on this list have ya read? Larry - 06/12/2009 05:22:40 AM 2282 Views
A lot of those books aren't fantasy. Tom - 06/12/2009 05:34:18 AM 817 Views
Most of those depend upon how loosely one defines it Larry - 06/12/2009 06:41:50 AM 793 Views
Up next, fantasy fans attempt to co-opt Carl Sagan's Pale Blue Dot. *NM* Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 07:20:03 AM 252 Views
Actually, considering who put that list together, I'd at least look into their rationales Larry - 06/12/2009 07:42:11 AM 723 Views
Mmm... there's been a pronounced tendency among spec ficcers, from what I've seen, Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 09:09:26 AM 970 Views
I agree Camilla - 06/12/2009 09:35:32 AM 716 Views
I'm a bit different than that Larry - 06/12/2009 09:20:09 PM 779 Views
Re: I'm a bit different than that Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:04:47 AM 825 Views
Then what should it be defined as? Larry - 07/12/2009 02:28:55 AM 866 Views
What, didn't you major in Fixing Up Confusions and other Issues? Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:49:30 AM 557 Views
I majored in raising more questions and doubting absolutes Larry - 07/12/2009 02:50:35 AM 683 Views
You majored in being a pain in the butt is what you majored in. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:52:00 AM 731 Views
No, that was my second minor Larry - 07/12/2009 02:54:53 AM 645 Views
In that case, I trust my definition more than theirs. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 03:05:32 AM 711 Views
Re: I majored in raising more questions and doubting absolutes The_Last_Gunslinger - 08/12/2009 10:59:03 PM 754 Views
Not really Larry - 08/12/2009 11:19:46 PM 1055 Views
Fantasy has no easy definition. Werthead - 07/12/2009 02:46:33 AM 771 Views
That's true. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:50:37 AM 730 Views
But the Song of Soloman is certainly akin to that *NM* Larry - 07/12/2009 02:51:21 AM 245 Views
No, that's just porn. *NM* Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:52:24 AM 345 Views
If you redefine fatasy as fiction, the category loses its value Camilla - 06/12/2009 12:33:03 PM 753 Views
Remember what I studied for my grad degree Larry - 06/12/2009 04:10:08 PM 765 Views
Re: Remember what I studied for my grad degree Camilla - 06/12/2009 04:33:58 PM 774 Views
Really? Larry - 06/12/2009 09:22:21 PM 892 Views
Re: Really? Camilla - 06/12/2009 10:49:36 PM 847 Views
Literature does not exist in a vacuum Larry - 06/12/2009 10:53:58 PM 555 Views
Obviously I know that Camilla - 06/12/2009 11:30:55 PM 715 Views
But it is a material artifact of a culture Larry - 07/12/2009 12:47:45 AM 624 Views
But that is not all it is. Camilla - 07/12/2009 08:16:32 AM 819 Views
Indeed. A lot of them are science fiction. Werthead - 06/12/2009 04:32:26 PM 739 Views
Re: Indeed. A lot of them are science fiction. Camilla - 06/12/2009 05:01:55 PM 634 Views
Several dozen contributed to the suggestion list Larry - 06/12/2009 09:23:21 PM 554 Views
I've read 34. Legolas - 06/12/2009 10:53:38 AM 615 Views
Well, when individual preferences affect listings, such things happen, I guess Larry - 06/12/2009 09:24:39 PM 619 Views
78 that I have finished, but that is really not the point. Camilla - 06/12/2009 11:55:16 AM 765 Views
Definitions of "fantasy" vary considerably Larry - 06/12/2009 09:25:35 PM 712 Views
According to the one you just applied, my master's thesis was one... Camilla - 06/12/2009 10:47:25 PM 630 Views
It's just a state of mind, I suppose Larry - 07/12/2009 12:50:22 AM 735 Views
Re: It's just a state of mind, I suppose Camilla - 07/12/2009 08:17:09 AM 764 Views
I've read 28. Linda - 06/12/2009 03:42:40 PM 812 Views
89... but in general, that is many by the same author. jh - 06/12/2009 06:17:06 PM 623 Views
46. This is an idiotic list. A Confederacy of Dunces just IS NOT fantasy. Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 08:34:07 PM 843 Views
You say that, based on having read maybe 2% of the list? Larry - 06/12/2009 09:27:32 PM 550 Views
Jane Eyre? Napoleon62 - 07/12/2009 12:00:36 AM 695 Views
It plays upon the Gothic novel precepts Larry - 07/12/2009 12:51:31 AM 581 Views
Larry...come on...if it's Fantasy I have a bridge in Brooklyn for you to buy Tom - 07/12/2009 04:17:38 AM 749 Views
Devise a better? Larry - 07/12/2009 04:34:46 AM 665 Views
It would be much shorter Tom - 07/12/2009 02:20:05 PM 930 Views
It should be shorter than some of the ones you listed Larry - 08/12/2009 11:26:35 PM 673 Views
Argh. Your quoting skills need work. *NM* Ghavrel - 09/12/2009 08:58:15 AM 353 Views
You seem to be misunderstanding Tom's post. Legolas - 09/12/2009 10:57:08 AM 686 Views
No,I was just just commenting on my likes/dislikes of that list Larry - 09/12/2009 01:21:45 PM 818 Views
I think you are misunderstanding again... jh - 09/12/2009 01:46:49 PM 790 Views
Yes. What Jonte said. *NM* Legolas - 09/12/2009 02:41:41 PM 370 Views
Oh,that Larry - 09/12/2009 06:07:11 PM 866 Views
Re: It should be shorter than some of the ones you listed Camilla - 21/12/2009 09:35:11 AM 1077 Views
I read it very recently. He masturbates to a dog. Fetishes != fantasy. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 01:58:57 AM 596 Views
Like I said, it's been years for me Larry - 07/12/2009 02:30:58 AM 799 Views
No worries. That one just got me a little testy. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:48:01 AM 691 Views
96... but so many books are missing that i can think of... i mean, really! temeraire - 07/12/2009 02:07:18 AM 638 Views
It's an interesting experiment of a list, miki, and I think it's little more than that Larry - 07/12/2009 02:29:56 AM 583 Views
I've read about 90 of them ranagrande - 18/12/2009 03:37:49 PM 955 Views
It would be a more interesting list if it contained more books that fantasy fans would want to read random thoughts - 30/12/2009 06:35:18 PM 821 Views
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