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Re: I'm a bit different than that Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 07/12/2009 02:04:47 AM
You differentiate "Southern Gothic" from a presumed "Fantasy," when I would rather be curious to see how elements of each have influenced the other. I suspect with the authors of this compiled list of suggestions, the intents were more to explore commonalities of narrative approach than trying to define anything.

Then, as Camilla said, it shouldn't have been called a "fantasy list."


I suspect much of the "failure" here for many responding would do more with a resistance to abandoning (or altering at the very least) pre-conceived notions of literary taxonomy than with any real reaction to the qualities of the stories themselves.

Yes, people on the whole don't take well to the radical altering of terms for no purpose other than self-justification. The term Fantasy doesn't need to be redefined.
"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
~Camilla

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Since people are weighing in on that best fantasy list I posted, how many on this list have ya read? Larry - 06/12/2009 05:22:40 AM 2312 Views
A lot of those books aren't fantasy. Tom - 06/12/2009 05:34:18 AM 842 Views
Most of those depend upon how loosely one defines it Larry - 06/12/2009 06:41:50 AM 821 Views
Up next, fantasy fans attempt to co-opt Carl Sagan's Pale Blue Dot. *NM* Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 07:20:03 AM 263 Views
Actually, considering who put that list together, I'd at least look into their rationales Larry - 06/12/2009 07:42:11 AM 753 Views
Mmm... there's been a pronounced tendency among spec ficcers, from what I've seen, Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 09:09:26 AM 1010 Views
I agree Camilla - 06/12/2009 09:35:32 AM 742 Views
I'm a bit different than that Larry - 06/12/2009 09:20:09 PM 824 Views
Re: I'm a bit different than that Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:04:47 AM 853 Views
Then what should it be defined as? Larry - 07/12/2009 02:28:55 AM 893 Views
What, didn't you major in Fixing Up Confusions and other Issues? Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:49:30 AM 592 Views
I majored in raising more questions and doubting absolutes Larry - 07/12/2009 02:50:35 AM 713 Views
You majored in being a pain in the butt is what you majored in. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:52:00 AM 765 Views
No, that was my second minor Larry - 07/12/2009 02:54:53 AM 673 Views
In that case, I trust my definition more than theirs. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 03:05:32 AM 740 Views
Re: I majored in raising more questions and doubting absolutes The_Last_Gunslinger - 08/12/2009 10:59:03 PM 784 Views
Not really Larry - 08/12/2009 11:19:46 PM 1087 Views
Fantasy has no easy definition. Werthead - 07/12/2009 02:46:33 AM 799 Views
That's true. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:50:37 AM 764 Views
But the Song of Soloman is certainly akin to that *NM* Larry - 07/12/2009 02:51:21 AM 259 Views
No, that's just porn. *NM* Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:52:24 AM 354 Views
If you redefine fatasy as fiction, the category loses its value Camilla - 06/12/2009 12:33:03 PM 779 Views
Remember what I studied for my grad degree Larry - 06/12/2009 04:10:08 PM 792 Views
Re: Remember what I studied for my grad degree Camilla - 06/12/2009 04:33:58 PM 802 Views
Really? Larry - 06/12/2009 09:22:21 PM 920 Views
Re: Really? Camilla - 06/12/2009 10:49:36 PM 875 Views
Literature does not exist in a vacuum Larry - 06/12/2009 10:53:58 PM 578 Views
Obviously I know that Camilla - 06/12/2009 11:30:55 PM 745 Views
But it is a material artifact of a culture Larry - 07/12/2009 12:47:45 AM 644 Views
But that is not all it is. Camilla - 07/12/2009 08:16:32 AM 846 Views
Indeed. A lot of them are science fiction. Werthead - 06/12/2009 04:32:26 PM 766 Views
Re: Indeed. A lot of them are science fiction. Camilla - 06/12/2009 05:01:55 PM 675 Views
Several dozen contributed to the suggestion list Larry - 06/12/2009 09:23:21 PM 594 Views
I've read 34. Legolas - 06/12/2009 10:53:38 AM 644 Views
Well, when individual preferences affect listings, such things happen, I guess Larry - 06/12/2009 09:24:39 PM 644 Views
78 that I have finished, but that is really not the point. Camilla - 06/12/2009 11:55:16 AM 792 Views
Definitions of "fantasy" vary considerably Larry - 06/12/2009 09:25:35 PM 742 Views
According to the one you just applied, my master's thesis was one... Camilla - 06/12/2009 10:47:25 PM 654 Views
It's just a state of mind, I suppose Larry - 07/12/2009 12:50:22 AM 759 Views
Re: It's just a state of mind, I suppose Camilla - 07/12/2009 08:17:09 AM 790 Views
I've read 28. Linda - 06/12/2009 03:42:40 PM 847 Views
89... but in general, that is many by the same author. jh - 06/12/2009 06:17:06 PM 645 Views
46. This is an idiotic list. A Confederacy of Dunces just IS NOT fantasy. Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 08:34:07 PM 871 Views
You say that, based on having read maybe 2% of the list? Larry - 06/12/2009 09:27:32 PM 574 Views
Jane Eyre? Napoleon62 - 07/12/2009 12:00:36 AM 718 Views
It plays upon the Gothic novel precepts Larry - 07/12/2009 12:51:31 AM 607 Views
Larry...come on...if it's Fantasy I have a bridge in Brooklyn for you to buy Tom - 07/12/2009 04:17:38 AM 775 Views
Devise a better? Larry - 07/12/2009 04:34:46 AM 690 Views
It would be much shorter Tom - 07/12/2009 02:20:05 PM 956 Views
It should be shorter than some of the ones you listed Larry - 08/12/2009 11:26:35 PM 700 Views
Argh. Your quoting skills need work. *NM* Ghavrel - 09/12/2009 08:58:15 AM 364 Views
You seem to be misunderstanding Tom's post. Legolas - 09/12/2009 10:57:08 AM 711 Views
No,I was just just commenting on my likes/dislikes of that list Larry - 09/12/2009 01:21:45 PM 842 Views
I think you are misunderstanding again... jh - 09/12/2009 01:46:49 PM 813 Views
Yes. What Jonte said. *NM* Legolas - 09/12/2009 02:41:41 PM 382 Views
Oh,that Larry - 09/12/2009 06:07:11 PM 890 Views
Re: It should be shorter than some of the ones you listed Camilla - 21/12/2009 09:35:11 AM 1104 Views
I read it very recently. He masturbates to a dog. Fetishes != fantasy. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 01:58:57 AM 622 Views
Like I said, it's been years for me Larry - 07/12/2009 02:30:58 AM 822 Views
No worries. That one just got me a little testy. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:48:01 AM 715 Views
96... but so many books are missing that i can think of... i mean, really! temeraire - 07/12/2009 02:07:18 AM 684 Views
It's an interesting experiment of a list, miki, and I think it's little more than that Larry - 07/12/2009 02:29:56 AM 608 Views
I've read about 90 of them ranagrande - 18/12/2009 03:37:49 PM 996 Views
It would be a more interesting list if it contained more books that fantasy fans would want to read random thoughts - 30/12/2009 06:35:18 PM 847 Views
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