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If we need a more specific resolution... Napoleon62 Send a noteboard - 10/08/2010 04:22:12 AM
Doesn't reference article 16 of the UDHR, but does articles 1 and 2, which does seem strange. Anyway if we are trying to prove that discrimination based on sexual orientation is against international law I think we just did.
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Let's ban all Christian Marriage. Dannymac - 07/08/2010 06:36:13 AM 1486 Views
Nice satire, but it raises another point for me. Helene - 07/08/2010 07:20:49 AM 915 Views
One small problem... Phelix - 07/08/2010 08:02:34 AM 930 Views
Re tax. Rebekah - 07/08/2010 08:47:22 AM 961 Views
That seems sensible to me. SilverWarder - 09/08/2010 08:13:26 PM 808 Views
Not sure what you mean by "demoted." Dannymac - 07/08/2010 03:50:02 PM 967 Views
Nice. *NM* Camilla - 07/08/2010 08:58:20 AM 561 Views
That would only be appropriate if Christians wanted to ban secular unions of normal people. Cannoli - 07/08/2010 11:51:29 AM 1129 Views
Hey, look! There was a point over there! Dannymac - 07/08/2010 03:46:41 PM 947 Views
Who else should make those decisions? Cannoli - 07/08/2010 08:00:39 PM 891 Views
I'd totally... Ectheledhel - 08/08/2010 04:14:15 AM 863 Views
I'd totally... ßelals Girl - 08/08/2010 06:17:30 AM 1007 Views
You'd defend this idiot? *NM* Ectheledhel - 08/08/2010 06:40:34 AM 447 Views
Indeed ßelals Girl - 08/08/2010 06:43:53 AM 941 Views
I used to think Joel was the biggest rambler on this site. I am seriously reconsidering. everynametaken - 08/08/2010 05:24:56 AM 929 Views
And my assessment of one poster as the most content-poor, non-contributing slug is unchanged Cannoli - 08/08/2010 07:17:02 PM 843 Views
Um, ok. *NM* everynametaken - 10/08/2010 12:48:19 AM 449 Views
*Shakes Head* Dannymac - 08/08/2010 06:23:47 AM 813 Views
I highly doubt Cannoli is "scared" of homosexuals *NM* ßelals Girl - 08/08/2010 06:29:54 AM 478 Views
Perhaps not in the physical sense. Great Lord of Chaos - 08/08/2010 06:35:53 AM 905 Views
Re: Perhaps not in the physical sense. ßelals Girl - 08/08/2010 06:46:56 AM 868 Views
Gah! You did that on purpose! Vodalus - 09/08/2010 01:05:13 AM 819 Views
whoops *NM* ßelals Girl - 09/08/2010 02:22:49 AM 411 Views
Re: *Shakes Head* Cannoli - 08/08/2010 07:43:11 PM 859 Views
I still do not see how you think marriage is a "pointless" institution LadyLorraine - 08/08/2010 08:05:45 PM 957 Views
No, I was referring to same-sex marriage. Real marriage hardly counts as a novelty. *NM* Cannoli - 11/08/2010 02:28:43 PM 391 Views
This must be the "thought out reaction" I've heard so much about. Dannymac - 08/08/2010 10:45:59 PM 800 Views
You cannot be that stupid. Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:10:55 PM 1090 Views
There's a lot of ridiculous arguments here, but I'll focus on just one of them... Legolas - 11/08/2010 03:38:05 PM 971 Views
Incorrect. Genders are not treated equally. Dreaded Anomaly - 11/08/2010 07:53:00 PM 1180 Views
all you need is enough support to pass an amendment random thoughts - 08/08/2010 02:46:08 PM 804 Views
A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too Isaac - 08/08/2010 11:51:24 PM 830 Views
And what is wrong with polygamy? *NM* Ectheledhel - 09/08/2010 10:36:53 AM 445 Views
Did I say there was anything? Isaac - 09/08/2010 11:03:10 AM 949 Views
Plolygamy and incest are not on the same level of bad. Camilla - 09/08/2010 11:00:07 AM 875 Views
Is that assumption valid? Isaac - 09/08/2010 11:36:26 AM 821 Views
Re: Is that assumption valid? Camilla - 09/08/2010 11:46:42 AM 802 Views
Re: Is that assumption valid? Isaac - 09/08/2010 12:07:22 PM 921 Views
Not really snoopcester - 09/08/2010 01:20:46 PM 778 Views
Re: Not really Isaac - 09/08/2010 01:27:04 PM 901 Views
Re: Not really snoopcester - 09/08/2010 02:14:43 PM 788 Views
Re: Not really Isaac - 09/08/2010 03:06:31 PM 935 Views
Spoken like someone who does not have to insure an employee's six wives. Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:11:57 PM 949 Views
... Camilla - 11/08/2010 03:22:50 PM 832 Views
Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too snoopcester - 09/08/2010 11:25:39 AM 833 Views
Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too Isaac - 09/08/2010 11:51:50 AM 798 Views
Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too snoopcester - 09/08/2010 01:18:35 PM 886 Views
Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too Isaac - 09/08/2010 02:54:19 PM 906 Views
Mmm, but when you're strictly discussing marriage LadyLorraine - 09/08/2010 06:13:30 PM 957 Views
Re: Mmm, but when you're strictly discussing marriage Isaac - 10/08/2010 01:24:06 AM 780 Views
Now I think about it, I'm not sure. Dannymac - 10/08/2010 04:09:43 PM 888 Views
Re: Now I think about it, I'm not sure. Isaac - 10/08/2010 06:12:39 PM 774 Views
Great post Danny SilverWarder - 09/08/2010 08:22:27 PM 638 Views
It should be noted again... Jeordam - 09/08/2010 08:59:32 PM 929 Views
and how is it not a right? LadyLorraine - 09/08/2010 09:19:12 PM 806 Views
My definition of rights... Jeordam - 09/08/2010 10:47:16 PM 932 Views
mmm, but the UN has legally stated marriage as a right. LadyLorraine - 10/08/2010 02:52:03 AM 708 Views
+1 Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 03:11:22 AM 984 Views
Article 16 probably not a great example Isaac - 10/08/2010 03:44:04 AM 805 Views
You could just as easily move the emphasis... Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 04:08:46 AM 917 Views
If we need a more specific resolution... Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 04:22:12 AM 1089 Views
No, the choice of 'Men and Women' is too specific in the context Isaac - 10/08/2010 05:25:57 AM 800 Views
Re: No, the choice of 'Men and Women' is too specific in the context Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 03:04:39 PM 1094 Views
That's really a ridiculous stance, you do realize. Legolas - 10/08/2010 03:23:02 PM 769 Views
The point is that marriage IS a right, one which cannot be denied based upon sexual orientation *NM* Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 07:04:16 PM 638 Views
Re: No, the choice of 'Men and Women' is too specific in the context Isaac - 10/08/2010 03:46:56 PM 987 Views
It doesn't say a man can only marry a woman or vice versa, though. Dreaded Anomaly - 10/08/2010 04:24:17 AM 799 Views
It also doesn't say they can Isaac - 10/08/2010 04:41:18 AM 806 Views
You're missing the point. It's not about gay marriage. Legolas - 10/08/2010 11:20:59 AM 784 Views
No, I got that, I'm pointing out how it does so Isaac - 10/08/2010 01:47:00 PM 817 Views
I know, and that's been brought up before. But that's not my point. LadyLorraine - 10/08/2010 06:09:32 PM 794 Views
Re: I know, and that's been brought up before. But that's not my point. Isaac - 10/08/2010 06:33:56 PM 723 Views
It's mentioned as a right in some SC decision quoted in that Walker opinion. *NM* Legolas - 10/08/2010 06:51:13 PM 403 Views
To clarify for you SilverWarder - 10/08/2010 05:36:14 AM 731 Views
The UNSC is actually the UN's enforcement body... Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 07:16:31 PM 1165 Views
I'm not sure that I would call the Security Council the 'Enforcement Body' SilverWarder - 10/08/2010 08:43:02 PM 778 Views
The fact that it is capable of authorizing the use of military force makes it an enforcement body Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 10:33:59 PM 1032 Views
Disagree - but it's most a matter of definition there SilverWarder - 11/08/2010 04:31:53 PM 937 Views
What the UN thinks is *completely* worthless.... Jeordam - 10/08/2010 06:43:15 PM 741 Views
and the Constitution dictates nothing about marriage. *NM* LadyLorraine - 10/08/2010 11:46:24 PM 431 Views
That means it is up to the people. And they say "No." *NM* Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:13:12 PM 436 Views
No, but it does dictate things about rights and discrimination SilverWarder - 12/08/2010 03:48:02 PM 982 Views
Why don't YOU back up your assertion that the right to marry exists? *NM* Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:16:02 PM 449 Views
The actual ruling on Prop 8 specifices marriage as a freedom, not a right. Dreaded Anomaly - 10/08/2010 12:02:17 AM 879 Views
Out of curiosity, what would you say to using the Ninth Amendment, possibly in conjunction... Vodalus - 10/08/2010 12:20:19 AM 955 Views
I agree LadyLorraine - 10/08/2010 06:11:19 PM 688 Views
Yeah but this can't be used to prove that it IS a right... Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 07:30:57 PM 1020 Views
Note it all you want... Dannymac - 10/08/2010 06:43:53 AM 674 Views
No, they seek to expand the terms of the partnership. Homosexuals can & do get married normally *NM* Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:14:25 PM 452 Views
The best one yet. Camilla - 10/08/2010 07:59:17 PM 920 Views
Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane SilverWarder - 10/08/2010 08:49:24 PM 800 Views
Re: Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane Camilla - 10/08/2010 09:03:11 PM 901 Views
Re: Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane SilverWarder - 11/08/2010 04:35:03 PM 785 Views
Re: Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane Camilla - 11/08/2010 04:41:23 PM 907 Views
Hmm - been a long time since I read my copy of the graphic novel SilverWarder - 11/08/2010 05:06:47 PM 883 Views
Re: Hmm - been a long time since I read my copy of the graphic novel Camilla - 11/08/2010 05:09:23 PM 874 Views
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