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The point is that marriage IS a right, one which cannot be denied based upon sexual orientation *NM* Napoleon62 Send a noteboard - 10/08/2010 07:04:16 PM
Whether the UDHR *should* provide for gay marriage is a different matter, but it's ridiculous to pretend that it does. The wording can be read that way now, sure, but that's only because they didn't even think of the possibility of gay marriage at the time they wrote and passed the thing.
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Let's ban all Christian Marriage. Dannymac - 07/08/2010 06:36:13 AM 1486 Views
Nice satire, but it raises another point for me. Helene - 07/08/2010 07:20:49 AM 915 Views
One small problem... Phelix - 07/08/2010 08:02:34 AM 930 Views
Re tax. Rebekah - 07/08/2010 08:47:22 AM 961 Views
That seems sensible to me. SilverWarder - 09/08/2010 08:13:26 PM 808 Views
Not sure what you mean by "demoted." Dannymac - 07/08/2010 03:50:02 PM 967 Views
Nice. *NM* Camilla - 07/08/2010 08:58:20 AM 561 Views
That would only be appropriate if Christians wanted to ban secular unions of normal people. Cannoli - 07/08/2010 11:51:29 AM 1129 Views
Hey, look! There was a point over there! Dannymac - 07/08/2010 03:46:41 PM 947 Views
Who else should make those decisions? Cannoli - 07/08/2010 08:00:39 PM 891 Views
I'd totally... Ectheledhel - 08/08/2010 04:14:15 AM 863 Views
I'd totally... ßelals Girl - 08/08/2010 06:17:30 AM 1007 Views
You'd defend this idiot? *NM* Ectheledhel - 08/08/2010 06:40:34 AM 447 Views
Indeed ßelals Girl - 08/08/2010 06:43:53 AM 941 Views
I used to think Joel was the biggest rambler on this site. I am seriously reconsidering. everynametaken - 08/08/2010 05:24:56 AM 929 Views
And my assessment of one poster as the most content-poor, non-contributing slug is unchanged Cannoli - 08/08/2010 07:17:02 PM 843 Views
Um, ok. *NM* everynametaken - 10/08/2010 12:48:19 AM 449 Views
*Shakes Head* Dannymac - 08/08/2010 06:23:47 AM 813 Views
I highly doubt Cannoli is "scared" of homosexuals *NM* ßelals Girl - 08/08/2010 06:29:54 AM 478 Views
Perhaps not in the physical sense. Great Lord of Chaos - 08/08/2010 06:35:53 AM 905 Views
Re: Perhaps not in the physical sense. ßelals Girl - 08/08/2010 06:46:56 AM 868 Views
Gah! You did that on purpose! Vodalus - 09/08/2010 01:05:13 AM 819 Views
whoops *NM* ßelals Girl - 09/08/2010 02:22:49 AM 411 Views
Re: *Shakes Head* Cannoli - 08/08/2010 07:43:11 PM 859 Views
I still do not see how you think marriage is a "pointless" institution LadyLorraine - 08/08/2010 08:05:45 PM 957 Views
No, I was referring to same-sex marriage. Real marriage hardly counts as a novelty. *NM* Cannoli - 11/08/2010 02:28:43 PM 391 Views
This must be the "thought out reaction" I've heard so much about. Dannymac - 08/08/2010 10:45:59 PM 800 Views
You cannot be that stupid. Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:10:55 PM 1090 Views
There's a lot of ridiculous arguments here, but I'll focus on just one of them... Legolas - 11/08/2010 03:38:05 PM 971 Views
Incorrect. Genders are not treated equally. Dreaded Anomaly - 11/08/2010 07:53:00 PM 1180 Views
all you need is enough support to pass an amendment random thoughts - 08/08/2010 02:46:08 PM 804 Views
A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too Isaac - 08/08/2010 11:51:24 PM 830 Views
And what is wrong with polygamy? *NM* Ectheledhel - 09/08/2010 10:36:53 AM 445 Views
Did I say there was anything? Isaac - 09/08/2010 11:03:10 AM 949 Views
Plolygamy and incest are not on the same level of bad. Camilla - 09/08/2010 11:00:07 AM 875 Views
Is that assumption valid? Isaac - 09/08/2010 11:36:26 AM 821 Views
Re: Is that assumption valid? Camilla - 09/08/2010 11:46:42 AM 802 Views
Re: Is that assumption valid? Isaac - 09/08/2010 12:07:22 PM 921 Views
Not really snoopcester - 09/08/2010 01:20:46 PM 778 Views
Re: Not really Isaac - 09/08/2010 01:27:04 PM 901 Views
Re: Not really snoopcester - 09/08/2010 02:14:43 PM 788 Views
Re: Not really Isaac - 09/08/2010 03:06:31 PM 935 Views
Spoken like someone who does not have to insure an employee's six wives. Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:11:57 PM 949 Views
... Camilla - 11/08/2010 03:22:50 PM 832 Views
Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too snoopcester - 09/08/2010 11:25:39 AM 833 Views
Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too Isaac - 09/08/2010 11:51:50 AM 798 Views
Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too snoopcester - 09/08/2010 01:18:35 PM 886 Views
Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too Isaac - 09/08/2010 02:54:19 PM 906 Views
Mmm, but when you're strictly discussing marriage LadyLorraine - 09/08/2010 06:13:30 PM 957 Views
Re: Mmm, but when you're strictly discussing marriage Isaac - 10/08/2010 01:24:06 AM 780 Views
Now I think about it, I'm not sure. Dannymac - 10/08/2010 04:09:43 PM 888 Views
Re: Now I think about it, I'm not sure. Isaac - 10/08/2010 06:12:39 PM 774 Views
Great post Danny SilverWarder - 09/08/2010 08:22:27 PM 638 Views
It should be noted again... Jeordam - 09/08/2010 08:59:32 PM 929 Views
and how is it not a right? LadyLorraine - 09/08/2010 09:19:12 PM 806 Views
My definition of rights... Jeordam - 09/08/2010 10:47:16 PM 932 Views
mmm, but the UN has legally stated marriage as a right. LadyLorraine - 10/08/2010 02:52:03 AM 708 Views
+1 Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 03:11:22 AM 983 Views
Article 16 probably not a great example Isaac - 10/08/2010 03:44:04 AM 805 Views
You could just as easily move the emphasis... Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 04:08:46 AM 916 Views
If we need a more specific resolution... Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 04:22:12 AM 1088 Views
No, the choice of 'Men and Women' is too specific in the context Isaac - 10/08/2010 05:25:57 AM 800 Views
Re: No, the choice of 'Men and Women' is too specific in the context Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 03:04:39 PM 1093 Views
That's really a ridiculous stance, you do realize. Legolas - 10/08/2010 03:23:02 PM 769 Views
The point is that marriage IS a right, one which cannot be denied based upon sexual orientation *NM* Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 07:04:16 PM 638 Views
Re: No, the choice of 'Men and Women' is too specific in the context Isaac - 10/08/2010 03:46:56 PM 987 Views
It doesn't say a man can only marry a woman or vice versa, though. Dreaded Anomaly - 10/08/2010 04:24:17 AM 799 Views
It also doesn't say they can Isaac - 10/08/2010 04:41:18 AM 806 Views
You're missing the point. It's not about gay marriage. Legolas - 10/08/2010 11:20:59 AM 784 Views
No, I got that, I'm pointing out how it does so Isaac - 10/08/2010 01:47:00 PM 817 Views
I know, and that's been brought up before. But that's not my point. LadyLorraine - 10/08/2010 06:09:32 PM 794 Views
Re: I know, and that's been brought up before. But that's not my point. Isaac - 10/08/2010 06:33:56 PM 723 Views
It's mentioned as a right in some SC decision quoted in that Walker opinion. *NM* Legolas - 10/08/2010 06:51:13 PM 403 Views
To clarify for you SilverWarder - 10/08/2010 05:36:14 AM 731 Views
The UNSC is actually the UN's enforcement body... Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 07:16:31 PM 1165 Views
I'm not sure that I would call the Security Council the 'Enforcement Body' SilverWarder - 10/08/2010 08:43:02 PM 778 Views
The fact that it is capable of authorizing the use of military force makes it an enforcement body Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 10:33:59 PM 1031 Views
Disagree - but it's most a matter of definition there SilverWarder - 11/08/2010 04:31:53 PM 937 Views
What the UN thinks is *completely* worthless.... Jeordam - 10/08/2010 06:43:15 PM 741 Views
and the Constitution dictates nothing about marriage. *NM* LadyLorraine - 10/08/2010 11:46:24 PM 431 Views
That means it is up to the people. And they say "No." *NM* Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:13:12 PM 436 Views
No, but it does dictate things about rights and discrimination SilverWarder - 12/08/2010 03:48:02 PM 982 Views
Why don't YOU back up your assertion that the right to marry exists? *NM* Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:16:02 PM 449 Views
The actual ruling on Prop 8 specifices marriage as a freedom, not a right. Dreaded Anomaly - 10/08/2010 12:02:17 AM 879 Views
Out of curiosity, what would you say to using the Ninth Amendment, possibly in conjunction... Vodalus - 10/08/2010 12:20:19 AM 955 Views
I agree LadyLorraine - 10/08/2010 06:11:19 PM 688 Views
Yeah but this can't be used to prove that it IS a right... Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 07:30:57 PM 1019 Views
Note it all you want... Dannymac - 10/08/2010 06:43:53 AM 674 Views
No, they seek to expand the terms of the partnership. Homosexuals can & do get married normally *NM* Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:14:25 PM 452 Views
The best one yet. Camilla - 10/08/2010 07:59:17 PM 920 Views
Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane SilverWarder - 10/08/2010 08:49:24 PM 800 Views
Re: Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane Camilla - 10/08/2010 09:03:11 PM 901 Views
Re: Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane SilverWarder - 11/08/2010 04:35:03 PM 785 Views
Re: Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane Camilla - 11/08/2010 04:41:23 PM 907 Views
Hmm - been a long time since I read my copy of the graphic novel SilverWarder - 11/08/2010 05:06:47 PM 883 Views
Re: Hmm - been a long time since I read my copy of the graphic novel Camilla - 11/08/2010 05:09:23 PM 874 Views
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