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The point is that marriage IS a right, one which cannot be denied based upon sexual orientation *NM* Napoleon62 Send a noteboard - 10/08/2010 07:04:16 PM
Whether the UDHR *should* provide for gay marriage is a different matter, but it's ridiculous to pretend that it does. The wording can be read that way now, sure, but that's only because they didn't even think of the possibility of gay marriage at the time they wrote and passed the thing.
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Let's ban all Christian Marriage. Dannymac - 07/08/2010 06:36:13 AM 1632 Views
Nice satire, but it raises another point for me. Helene - 07/08/2010 07:20:49 AM 1034 Views
One small problem... Phelix - 07/08/2010 08:02:34 AM 1061 Views
Re tax. Rebekah - 07/08/2010 08:47:22 AM 1101 Views
That seems sensible to me. SilverWarder - 09/08/2010 08:13:26 PM 952 Views
Not sure what you mean by "demoted." Dannymac - 07/08/2010 03:50:02 PM 1093 Views
Nice. *NM* Camilla - 07/08/2010 08:58:20 AM 617 Views
That would only be appropriate if Christians wanted to ban secular unions of normal people. Cannoli - 07/08/2010 11:51:29 AM 1270 Views
Hey, look! There was a point over there! Dannymac - 07/08/2010 03:46:41 PM 1085 Views
Who else should make those decisions? Cannoli - 07/08/2010 08:00:39 PM 1022 Views
I'd totally... Ectheledhel - 08/08/2010 04:14:15 AM 980 Views
I'd totally... ßelals Girl - 08/08/2010 06:17:30 AM 1140 Views
You'd defend this idiot? *NM* Ectheledhel - 08/08/2010 06:40:34 AM 507 Views
Indeed ßelals Girl - 08/08/2010 06:43:53 AM 1072 Views
I used to think Joel was the biggest rambler on this site. I am seriously reconsidering. everynametaken - 08/08/2010 05:24:56 AM 1070 Views
And my assessment of one poster as the most content-poor, non-contributing slug is unchanged Cannoli - 08/08/2010 07:17:02 PM 982 Views
Um, ok. *NM* everynametaken - 10/08/2010 12:48:19 AM 507 Views
*Shakes Head* Dannymac - 08/08/2010 06:23:47 AM 945 Views
I highly doubt Cannoli is "scared" of homosexuals *NM* ßelals Girl - 08/08/2010 06:29:54 AM 540 Views
Perhaps not in the physical sense. Great Lord of Chaos - 08/08/2010 06:35:53 AM 1043 Views
Re: Perhaps not in the physical sense. ßelals Girl - 08/08/2010 06:46:56 AM 1008 Views
Gah! You did that on purpose! Vodalus - 09/08/2010 01:05:13 AM 956 Views
whoops *NM* ßelals Girl - 09/08/2010 02:22:49 AM 463 Views
Re: *Shakes Head* Cannoli - 08/08/2010 07:43:11 PM 992 Views
I still do not see how you think marriage is a "pointless" institution LadyLorraine - 08/08/2010 08:05:45 PM 1092 Views
No, I was referring to same-sex marriage. Real marriage hardly counts as a novelty. *NM* Cannoli - 11/08/2010 02:28:43 PM 451 Views
This must be the "thought out reaction" I've heard so much about. Dannymac - 08/08/2010 10:45:59 PM 937 Views
You cannot be that stupid. Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:10:55 PM 1212 Views
There's a lot of ridiculous arguments here, but I'll focus on just one of them... Legolas - 11/08/2010 03:38:05 PM 1091 Views
Incorrect. Genders are not treated equally. Dreaded Anomaly - 11/08/2010 07:53:00 PM 1319 Views
all you need is enough support to pass an amendment random thoughts - 08/08/2010 02:46:08 PM 926 Views
A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too Isaac - 08/08/2010 11:51:24 PM 967 Views
And what is wrong with polygamy? *NM* Ectheledhel - 09/08/2010 10:36:53 AM 511 Views
Did I say there was anything? Isaac - 09/08/2010 11:03:10 AM 1081 Views
Plolygamy and incest are not on the same level of bad. Camilla - 09/08/2010 11:00:07 AM 1000 Views
Is that assumption valid? Isaac - 09/08/2010 11:36:26 AM 952 Views
Re: Is that assumption valid? Camilla - 09/08/2010 11:46:42 AM 940 Views
Re: Is that assumption valid? Isaac - 09/08/2010 12:07:22 PM 1053 Views
Not really snoopcester - 09/08/2010 01:20:46 PM 914 Views
Re: Not really Isaac - 09/08/2010 01:27:04 PM 1046 Views
Re: Not really snoopcester - 09/08/2010 02:14:43 PM 909 Views
Re: Not really Isaac - 09/08/2010 03:06:31 PM 1063 Views
Spoken like someone who does not have to insure an employee's six wives. Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:11:57 PM 1081 Views
... Camilla - 11/08/2010 03:22:50 PM 958 Views
Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too snoopcester - 09/08/2010 11:25:39 AM 986 Views
Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too Isaac - 09/08/2010 11:51:50 AM 924 Views
Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too snoopcester - 09/08/2010 01:18:35 PM 1032 Views
Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too Isaac - 09/08/2010 02:54:19 PM 1048 Views
Mmm, but when you're strictly discussing marriage LadyLorraine - 09/08/2010 06:13:30 PM 1093 Views
Re: Mmm, but when you're strictly discussing marriage Isaac - 10/08/2010 01:24:06 AM 898 Views
Now I think about it, I'm not sure. Dannymac - 10/08/2010 04:09:43 PM 1028 Views
Re: Now I think about it, I'm not sure. Isaac - 10/08/2010 06:12:39 PM 905 Views
Great post Danny SilverWarder - 09/08/2010 08:22:27 PM 780 Views
It should be noted again... Jeordam - 09/08/2010 08:59:32 PM 1076 Views
and how is it not a right? LadyLorraine - 09/08/2010 09:19:12 PM 950 Views
My definition of rights... Jeordam - 09/08/2010 10:47:16 PM 1073 Views
mmm, but the UN has legally stated marriage as a right. LadyLorraine - 10/08/2010 02:52:03 AM 831 Views
+1 Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 03:11:22 AM 1109 Views
Article 16 probably not a great example Isaac - 10/08/2010 03:44:04 AM 935 Views
You could just as easily move the emphasis... Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 04:08:46 AM 1064 Views
If we need a more specific resolution... Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 04:22:12 AM 1244 Views
No, the choice of 'Men and Women' is too specific in the context Isaac - 10/08/2010 05:25:57 AM 927 Views
Re: No, the choice of 'Men and Women' is too specific in the context Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 03:04:39 PM 1250 Views
That's really a ridiculous stance, you do realize. Legolas - 10/08/2010 03:23:02 PM 886 Views
The point is that marriage IS a right, one which cannot be denied based upon sexual orientation *NM* Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 07:04:16 PM 717 Views
Re: No, the choice of 'Men and Women' is too specific in the context Isaac - 10/08/2010 03:46:56 PM 1120 Views
It doesn't say a man can only marry a woman or vice versa, though. Dreaded Anomaly - 10/08/2010 04:24:17 AM 925 Views
It also doesn't say they can Isaac - 10/08/2010 04:41:18 AM 937 Views
You're missing the point. It's not about gay marriage. Legolas - 10/08/2010 11:20:59 AM 927 Views
No, I got that, I'm pointing out how it does so Isaac - 10/08/2010 01:47:00 PM 949 Views
I know, and that's been brought up before. But that's not my point. LadyLorraine - 10/08/2010 06:09:32 PM 923 Views
Re: I know, and that's been brought up before. But that's not my point. Isaac - 10/08/2010 06:33:56 PM 856 Views
It's mentioned as a right in some SC decision quoted in that Walker opinion. *NM* Legolas - 10/08/2010 06:51:13 PM 460 Views
To clarify for you SilverWarder - 10/08/2010 05:36:14 AM 856 Views
The UNSC is actually the UN's enforcement body... Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 07:16:31 PM 1305 Views
I'm not sure that I would call the Security Council the 'Enforcement Body' SilverWarder - 10/08/2010 08:43:02 PM 897 Views
The fact that it is capable of authorizing the use of military force makes it an enforcement body Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 10:33:59 PM 1169 Views
Disagree - but it's most a matter of definition there SilverWarder - 11/08/2010 04:31:53 PM 1076 Views
What the UN thinks is *completely* worthless.... Jeordam - 10/08/2010 06:43:15 PM 880 Views
and the Constitution dictates nothing about marriage. *NM* LadyLorraine - 10/08/2010 11:46:24 PM 491 Views
That means it is up to the people. And they say "No." *NM* Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:13:12 PM 495 Views
No, but it does dictate things about rights and discrimination SilverWarder - 12/08/2010 03:48:02 PM 1121 Views
Why don't YOU back up your assertion that the right to marry exists? *NM* Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:16:02 PM 496 Views
The actual ruling on Prop 8 specifices marriage as a freedom, not a right. Dreaded Anomaly - 10/08/2010 12:02:17 AM 1006 Views
Out of curiosity, what would you say to using the Ninth Amendment, possibly in conjunction... Vodalus - 10/08/2010 12:20:19 AM 1088 Views
I agree LadyLorraine - 10/08/2010 06:11:19 PM 806 Views
Yeah but this can't be used to prove that it IS a right... Napoleon62 - 10/08/2010 07:30:57 PM 1170 Views
Note it all you want... Dannymac - 10/08/2010 06:43:53 AM 798 Views
No, they seek to expand the terms of the partnership. Homosexuals can & do get married normally *NM* Cannoli - 11/08/2010 03:14:25 PM 508 Views
The best one yet. Camilla - 10/08/2010 07:59:17 PM 1055 Views
Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane SilverWarder - 10/08/2010 08:49:24 PM 923 Views
Re: Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane Camilla - 10/08/2010 09:03:11 PM 1032 Views
Re: Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane SilverWarder - 11/08/2010 04:35:03 PM 924 Views
Re: Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane Camilla - 11/08/2010 04:41:23 PM 1044 Views
Hmm - been a long time since I read my copy of the graphic novel SilverWarder - 11/08/2010 05:06:47 PM 1047 Views
Re: Hmm - been a long time since I read my copy of the graphic novel Camilla - 11/08/2010 05:09:23 PM 998 Views
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