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The Gadsden Purchase was a pittance and an afterthought, as I'm sure you're aware. Joel Send a noteboard - 18/08/2010 12:36:24 PM
I would agree that we didn't outright "take" the land, but it wasn't a friendly business transaction either.


I said purchased, I didn't say 'cheerful friendly deal' But let's be honest, Mexico controlled the Southwest as 'ink on a map' from 1821 on for a couple decades of almost non-stop civil war with the official president changing on a yearly (and often more often) basis. The Mexicans are certainly free to blame Santa Anna if they want, but by any reasonable standard the land is ours fair and square and more than fair, the natives might have gotten screwed, but not by us.

Frankly, I'm not even entirely sure why we made it. According to Wikipedia it was about the Union-Pacific and Jefferson Davis' dreams of territorial acquisition while Secy. of War. To this day about all we have to show for $10 million is Tuscon.

As a Texan, I know full well why the US went to war with Mexico, and while Santa Anna is much to blame (had he upheld the 1824 Constitution as he was sworn to do TX might still be part of Mexico, and the terms of OUR treaty required him to forever renounce the Presidency. ) What's a lot more hazy is why that war, its casus belli or its outcome justify the Mexican Cession. What that boils down to is the US Army occupying all of Mexico, and allowing Mexico proper to regain its independence after extracting a hefty pound of flesh (probably more than anything because our territory was expanding TOO quickly at the time, forcing a showdown between "traditionalists" who wanted, on one hand, to restrict slavery to its historical limits and, on the other hand, to preserve the historic balance of power between agricultural slave and industrial free states. ) We screwed the natives more than adequately after we took control though; where's Geronimos skull? Don't tell the Comanche, Apache or Navajo that the US was blameless in the Mexican Cession (to be fair, troubles with the first two date back to the acquisition of TX, but most of TX is outside the easternmost range for the Comanches during their dominance. )
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At what point does it become ok to take over a country? - 16/08/2010 04:25:09 PM 1310 Views
why would we want to make Mexico our problem? *NM* - 16/08/2010 04:30:48 PM 362 Views
Well, generally it's no longer seen as acceptable. - 16/08/2010 04:38:11 PM 946 Views
Revolución! *NM* - 16/08/2010 04:47:55 PM 341 Views
When it spills your pint and eyes up your woman? - 16/08/2010 04:53:29 PM 821 Views
When they get on your nerves or have something you want, preferably both - 16/08/2010 05:04:10 PM 841 Views
I agree we should attack Canada instead - 16/08/2010 05:19:48 PM 834 Views
west point? *NM* - 16/08/2010 08:56:58 PM 312 Views
Well take over and intervene are two totally different things - 16/08/2010 09:00:50 PM 1042 Views
never *NM* - 16/08/2010 09:05:03 PM 344 Views
Not even Hitler's Germany? (if he never went to war but just stayed put) Reply to Yuna *NM* - 16/08/2010 09:24:41 PM 434 Views
If he had never gone to war, that would also have meant no Holocaust... *NM* - 16/08/2010 09:28:16 PM 338 Views
Dachau opened in '33, Nuremburg Laws were '35 - 16/08/2010 09:36:59 PM 769 Views
Ok that's what I was thinking - 16/08/2010 09:45:51 PM 811 Views
Uh, yeah, see, there's a difference between "blaming" and "exterminating". - 16/08/2010 09:52:37 PM 809 Views
Re: Uh, yeah, see, there's a difference between "blaming" and "exterminating". - 16/08/2010 09:54:29 PM 747 Views
I don't know if there's really anything to specifically compare it to... - 16/08/2010 10:00:59 PM 919 Views
Also, perhaps someone should just invoke the (variation of the) Godwin Law and stop this whole thing - 16/08/2010 10:02:23 PM 822 Views
Ah, - 16/08/2010 10:04:39 PM 732 Views
I second the motion to invoke Godwin's Law for closure... - 16/08/2010 10:11:22 PM 866 Views
Perhaps - 16/08/2010 09:46:55 PM 724 Views
Well, you'll note I didn't make that causal relation you attribute to me. - 16/08/2010 09:55:39 PM 857 Views
The Dachau follow up was bookkeeping - 16/08/2010 10:05:35 PM 807 Views
The US already took half of Mexico, so why not the other half? - 16/08/2010 09:57:56 PM 856 Views
"Took" is an unfriendly word, we purchased it *NM* - 16/08/2010 10:21:58 PM 352 Views
yes after a messy political and physical "conflict" - 16/08/2010 10:53:22 PM 823 Views
There was also the Gasdsen Purchase - 17/08/2010 12:30:21 AM 777 Views
The Gadsden Purchase was a pittance and an afterthought, as I'm sure you're aware. - 18/08/2010 12:36:24 PM 688 Views
It is fairly large, but yes - 18/08/2010 02:21:25 PM 766 Views
Well, yes, it WAS a purchase, but then, it would be. - 18/08/2010 03:22:23 PM 1212 Views
and why did it belong to Mexico to begin with? *NM* - 17/08/2010 01:28:28 AM 377 Views
same way it seems to be the way most people who own the Americas came to own it. - 17/08/2010 01:46:49 AM 643 Views
At least we took the time to conquer it - 18/08/2010 05:20:57 PM 989 Views
well they were not using it *NM* - 17/08/2010 01:27:47 AM 324 Views
Once you solved all your own problems, I'm sure. *NM* - 16/08/2010 10:58:28 PM 340 Views
We should seal our border and peform drone strikes on cartels. - 17/08/2010 12:58:37 AM 666 Views
Re: We should seal our border and peform drone strikes on cartels. - 17/08/2010 02:39:11 AM 740 Views
Re: We should seal our border and peform drone strikes on cartels. - 17/08/2010 03:34:59 AM 903 Views
I think maybe we've had enough of nation building for a while *NM* - 17/08/2010 02:45:22 AM 330 Views

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