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It is fairly large, but yes Isaac Send a noteboard - 18/08/2010 02:21:25 PM
As a Texan, I know full well why the US went to war with Mexico, and while Santa Anna is much to blame (had he upheld the 1824 Constitution as he was sworn to do TX might still be part of Mexico, and the terms of OUR treaty required him to forever renounce the Presidency. ) What's a lot more hazy is why that war, its casus belli or its outcome justify the Mexican Cession. What that boils down to is the US Army occupying all of Mexico, and allowing Mexico proper to regain its independence after extracting a hefty pound of flesh (probably more than anything because our territory was expanding TOO quickly at the time, forcing a showdown between "traditionalists" who wanted, on one hand, to restrict slavery to its historical limits and, on the other hand, to preserve the historic balance of power between agricultural slave and industrial free states. ) We screwed the natives more than adequately after we took control though; where's Geronimos skull? Don't tell the Comanche, Apache or Navajo that the US was blameless in the Mexican Cession (to be fair, troubles with the first two date back to the acquisition of TX, but most of TX is outside the easternmost range for the Comanches during their dominance. )


Not really saying we were good, though our conduct was like ten times better than the historical norms, but all redundant since I was correcting 'took' with 'bought' and even the gunpoint bit doesn't hold for all of it since we did buy the Gasdsen Purchase entirely peacefully. But yes, I am aware of the internal Whig-Dem conflict over the war and the checkered past with south western natives, those are all fair points but don't change the purchase aspect, you know I'm not an apologist for early american excesses.
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At what point does it become ok to take over a country? - 16/08/2010 04:25:09 PM 1304 Views
why would we want to make Mexico our problem? *NM* - 16/08/2010 04:30:48 PM 359 Views
Well, generally it's no longer seen as acceptable. - 16/08/2010 04:38:11 PM 941 Views
Revolución! *NM* - 16/08/2010 04:47:55 PM 336 Views
When it spills your pint and eyes up your woman? - 16/08/2010 04:53:29 PM 814 Views
When they get on your nerves or have something you want, preferably both - 16/08/2010 05:04:10 PM 832 Views
I agree we should attack Canada instead - 16/08/2010 05:19:48 PM 829 Views
west point? *NM* - 16/08/2010 08:56:58 PM 308 Views
Well take over and intervene are two totally different things - 16/08/2010 09:00:50 PM 1037 Views
never *NM* - 16/08/2010 09:05:03 PM 341 Views
Not even Hitler's Germany? (if he never went to war but just stayed put) Reply to Yuna *NM* - 16/08/2010 09:24:41 PM 431 Views
If he had never gone to war, that would also have meant no Holocaust... *NM* - 16/08/2010 09:28:16 PM 335 Views
Dachau opened in '33, Nuremburg Laws were '35 - 16/08/2010 09:36:59 PM 763 Views
Ok that's what I was thinking - 16/08/2010 09:45:51 PM 804 Views
Uh, yeah, see, there's a difference between "blaming" and "exterminating". - 16/08/2010 09:52:37 PM 805 Views
Re: Uh, yeah, see, there's a difference between "blaming" and "exterminating". - 16/08/2010 09:54:29 PM 742 Views
I don't know if there's really anything to specifically compare it to... - 16/08/2010 10:00:59 PM 912 Views
Also, perhaps someone should just invoke the (variation of the) Godwin Law and stop this whole thing - 16/08/2010 10:02:23 PM 815 Views
Ah, - 16/08/2010 10:04:39 PM 724 Views
I second the motion to invoke Godwin's Law for closure... - 16/08/2010 10:11:22 PM 859 Views
Perhaps - 16/08/2010 09:46:55 PM 717 Views
Well, you'll note I didn't make that causal relation you attribute to me. - 16/08/2010 09:55:39 PM 850 Views
The Dachau follow up was bookkeeping - 16/08/2010 10:05:35 PM 802 Views
The US already took half of Mexico, so why not the other half? - 16/08/2010 09:57:56 PM 849 Views
"Took" is an unfriendly word, we purchased it *NM* - 16/08/2010 10:21:58 PM 349 Views
yes after a messy political and physical "conflict" - 16/08/2010 10:53:22 PM 818 Views
There was also the Gasdsen Purchase - 17/08/2010 12:30:21 AM 772 Views
The Gadsden Purchase was a pittance and an afterthought, as I'm sure you're aware. - 18/08/2010 12:36:24 PM 679 Views
It is fairly large, but yes - 18/08/2010 02:21:25 PM 760 Views
Well, yes, it WAS a purchase, but then, it would be. - 18/08/2010 03:22:23 PM 1205 Views
and why did it belong to Mexico to begin with? *NM* - 17/08/2010 01:28:28 AM 373 Views
same way it seems to be the way most people who own the Americas came to own it. - 17/08/2010 01:46:49 AM 638 Views
At least we took the time to conquer it - 18/08/2010 05:20:57 PM 984 Views
well they were not using it *NM* - 17/08/2010 01:27:47 AM 321 Views
Once you solved all your own problems, I'm sure. *NM* - 16/08/2010 10:58:28 PM 337 Views
We should seal our border and peform drone strikes on cartels. - 17/08/2010 12:58:37 AM 659 Views
Re: We should seal our border and peform drone strikes on cartels. - 17/08/2010 02:39:11 AM 731 Views
Re: We should seal our border and peform drone strikes on cartels. - 17/08/2010 03:34:59 AM 896 Views
I think maybe we've had enough of nation building for a while *NM* - 17/08/2010 02:45:22 AM 327 Views

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