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Well, yes, it WAS a purchase, but then, it would be. Joel Send a noteboard - 18/08/2010 03:22:23 PM
At the risk of paraphrasing He Who Must Not Be Named Online, I wouldn't expect to read a history book that said, "and so, after pitilessly slaughtering the badly outgunned Mexican Army, America had Santa Annas hands shackled in FRONT of him so he could sign the 'purchase agreement' more easily. " Certainly it would be odd for a TEXAS history book to record it that way (and we all know how important TX is in determining what the nations history books say. ) It may interest you to know that the principal Mexican objection to the Rio Grande as boundary with TX wasn't disagreement about what the peace treaty actually SAID, but the fact that Santa Anna was a bound prisoner when he signed his agreement (a fact he also raised himself to explain why he was President of Mexico AGAIN just ten years later, despite a peace treaty term that required him to forever renounce power. ) So, yeah, we cloaked our territorial gains in legal legitimacy, but, let's be honest here, after the capture of Monterrey Mexico had few options apart from full capitulation on whatever terms we deigned to offer. That we came back in another decade to "buy" more land only underscores that.

But that really goes back to the core of the question asked: It becomes permissible when you can get away with it, but whether it ever becomes truly moral may depend on whom you ask, and when. Which, if either, of those definitions fits what Dark Knight meant by "OK" only he and God can say. As a fellow Texan, I encounter this kind of sentiment regularly, and have found the best antidote to be rts: We don't take it because we don't WANT it; it wouldn't make anything better and would likely make things a lot worse (although it could get VERY interesting to see what happened globally when the US physically owned all of Mexicos substantial oil rights, but since we pioneered the practice of leasing it all to private entities pursuing a profit even if it means charging US taxpayers $4/gallon, I doubt much would change strategically. ) It's not exactly a dispassionate area to discuss, given the history (and current reality; most Mexicans will tell you they didn't HAVE a drug problem until wealthy US customers started buying contraband illegal in their own country; they certainly didn't lose national political leaders over it. )
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At what point does it become ok to take over a country? - 16/08/2010 04:25:09 PM 1285 Views
why would we want to make Mexico our problem? *NM* - 16/08/2010 04:30:48 PM 352 Views
Well, generally it's no longer seen as acceptable. - 16/08/2010 04:38:11 PM 921 Views
Revolución! *NM* - 16/08/2010 04:47:55 PM 329 Views
When it spills your pint and eyes up your woman? - 16/08/2010 04:53:29 PM 796 Views
When they get on your nerves or have something you want, preferably both - 16/08/2010 05:04:10 PM 817 Views
I agree we should attack Canada instead - 16/08/2010 05:19:48 PM 811 Views
west point? *NM* - 16/08/2010 08:56:58 PM 302 Views
Well take over and intervene are two totally different things - 16/08/2010 09:00:50 PM 1015 Views
never *NM* - 16/08/2010 09:05:03 PM 334 Views
Not even Hitler's Germany? (if he never went to war but just stayed put) Reply to Yuna *NM* - 16/08/2010 09:24:41 PM 421 Views
If he had never gone to war, that would also have meant no Holocaust... *NM* - 16/08/2010 09:28:16 PM 327 Views
Dachau opened in '33, Nuremburg Laws were '35 - 16/08/2010 09:36:59 PM 742 Views
Ok that's what I was thinking - 16/08/2010 09:45:51 PM 779 Views
Uh, yeah, see, there's a difference between "blaming" and "exterminating". - 16/08/2010 09:52:37 PM 789 Views
Re: Uh, yeah, see, there's a difference between "blaming" and "exterminating". - 16/08/2010 09:54:29 PM 726 Views
I don't know if there's really anything to specifically compare it to... - 16/08/2010 10:00:59 PM 896 Views
Also, perhaps someone should just invoke the (variation of the) Godwin Law and stop this whole thing - 16/08/2010 10:02:23 PM 795 Views
Ah, - 16/08/2010 10:04:39 PM 708 Views
I second the motion to invoke Godwin's Law for closure... - 16/08/2010 10:11:22 PM 843 Views
Perhaps - 16/08/2010 09:46:55 PM 702 Views
Well, you'll note I didn't make that causal relation you attribute to me. - 16/08/2010 09:55:39 PM 835 Views
The Dachau follow up was bookkeeping - 16/08/2010 10:05:35 PM 779 Views
The US already took half of Mexico, so why not the other half? - 16/08/2010 09:57:56 PM 829 Views
"Took" is an unfriendly word, we purchased it *NM* - 16/08/2010 10:21:58 PM 340 Views
yes after a messy political and physical "conflict" - 16/08/2010 10:53:22 PM 798 Views
There was also the Gasdsen Purchase - 17/08/2010 12:30:21 AM 744 Views
The Gadsden Purchase was a pittance and an afterthought, as I'm sure you're aware. - 18/08/2010 12:36:24 PM 663 Views
It is fairly large, but yes - 18/08/2010 02:21:25 PM 740 Views
Well, yes, it WAS a purchase, but then, it would be. - 18/08/2010 03:22:23 PM 1185 Views
and why did it belong to Mexico to begin with? *NM* - 17/08/2010 01:28:28 AM 364 Views
same way it seems to be the way most people who own the Americas came to own it. - 17/08/2010 01:46:49 AM 619 Views
At least we took the time to conquer it - 18/08/2010 05:20:57 PM 966 Views
well they were not using it *NM* - 17/08/2010 01:27:47 AM 314 Views
Once you solved all your own problems, I'm sure. *NM* - 16/08/2010 10:58:28 PM 330 Views
We should seal our border and peform drone strikes on cartels. - 17/08/2010 12:58:37 AM 643 Views
Re: We should seal our border and peform drone strikes on cartels. - 17/08/2010 02:39:11 AM 714 Views
Re: We should seal our border and peform drone strikes on cartels. - 17/08/2010 03:34:59 AM 879 Views
I think maybe we've had enough of nation building for a while *NM* - 17/08/2010 02:45:22 AM 316 Views

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