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I think there's truth in this as well. Legolas Send a noteboard - 13/10/2010 07:55:00 PM
Mostly because of my personal experiences. In Belgium, as you both know no doubt, gay marriage has been legal for, hm, about seven years now, I believe, homophobia is frowned upon very heavily (except among Muslims, but okay, let's not go there), in short we're a pretty good country for gay rights. And in universities, I'm not aware of there being any real issues for gay students. But in the high schools? In my school - a Catholic school, yes, but over 60% of Flemish students goes to nominally Catholic schools, and the large majority of those schools wouldn't even dare to show the slightest indication of homophobia - there were exactly two students who came out while I was there. Two. They weren't bullied that I know of (though as I didn't know either one personally, who can say), but it's rather significant that the many others there must have been apparently didn't dare or weren't read to come out yet. Ironically, I get the impression that in many American schools there are far more students coming out.

And those suicide rates among gay teens being so much higher than those of their straight peers, that is the case here as well.

So, you know, one shouldn't exaggerate the importance of religious anti-gay bigotry in determining these statistics.
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Love the Sinner - 13/10/2010 04:07:28 PM 1273 Views
I have to think about that for a while. - 13/10/2010 04:30:56 PM 799 Views
Suicide is significantly higher in young gay populations - 13/10/2010 05:36:01 PM 737 Views
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Nossy I ain't a mind reader, no matter how I try or how much I would do Jean Grey - 13/10/2010 06:06:42 PM 878 Views
for ze record - 14/10/2010 02:54:07 AM 768 Views
ok now show that it caused by what Christian beliefs *NM* - 13/10/2010 06:50:32 PM 373 Views
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I think there's truth in this as well. - 13/10/2010 07:55:00 PM 794 Views
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Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level - 14/10/2010 05:49:22 PM 866 Views
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so should Christians abandon other religious conviction to stop bullying? - 13/10/2010 07:39:54 PM 765 Views
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I think he is jackass that does not believe other's can have apoint of view - 13/10/2010 06:48:12 PM 766 Views
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and sometoimes they are just rants *NM* - 13/10/2010 10:01:55 PM 314 Views
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