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Re: You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point Zalis Send a noteboard - 13/10/2010 08:23:07 PM
Whether or not you are demonizing homosexuals, the simple fact is that they are being treated differently than all the other sinners. Sure, we're all sinners in the eyes of the Lord, great, but all those other sinners can still be married. If gays aren't super sinners, as you put it, why are they singled out in this regard?


I said that they're singled out because homosexuality has a big "gross" factor, and some Christians react with that instead of a Biblical argument. If someone's going to make a big deal out of homosexuality, they should consider making just as big a deal out of adultery, etc, in general.

You state that you don't support gay marriage without addressing this simple disconnect. And whether or not I agree with his argument that this leads to an implicit sanctioning of their bullying or whatever other mistreatment, that kind of renders the rest of your argument rather academic.


I don't "support" Gay marriage in the same way that I don't "support" live-in lovers. Expecting Christians to endorse or "support" Gay marriage is a pretty big double standard. It's one group of people demanding another to embrace or endorse something that's against their convictions. That's a lot different than asking folks to understand that some people are different from you, and that you shouldn't harass them about it. (claims of right and wrong completely aside)
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Love the Sinner Roland00 - 13/10/2010 04:07:28 PM 1411 Views
I have to think about that for a while. nossy - 13/10/2010 04:30:56 PM 974 Views
Suicide is significantly higher in young gay populations Roland00 - 13/10/2010 05:36:01 PM 891 Views
That is not what I think requires thought nossy - 13/10/2010 05:56:06 PM 899 Views
Nossy I ain't a mind reader, no matter how I try or how much I would do Jean Grey Roland00 - 13/10/2010 06:06:42 PM 1040 Views
for ze record nossy - 14/10/2010 02:54:07 AM 907 Views
ok now show that it caused by what Christian beliefs *NM* random thoughts - 13/10/2010 06:50:32 PM 434 Views
I don't think it's the belief's themselves LadyLorraine - 14/10/2010 12:20:01 AM 917 Views
The churches who encourage people to bully gays should be condemned random thoughts - 14/10/2010 06:43:06 PM 927 Views
Re: I have to think about that for a while. Rebekah - 13/10/2010 06:29:09 PM 905 Views
He was very frank but completely founded Fox and Ravens - 13/10/2010 04:34:46 PM 1023 Views
Ah, that Ghandi quote sure does get around. (which is funny, since he wasn't a Christian) Zalis - 13/10/2010 05:07:42 PM 1001 Views
I'm not sure that is true snoopcester - 13/10/2010 05:16:30 PM 890 Views
When's the last time you heard the quote attributed to anyone else? Zalis - 13/10/2010 08:34:10 PM 861 Views
That many people don't know the correct origin doesn't change it though snoopcester - 13/10/2010 09:31:13 PM 1013 Views
I think you are missing his point Roland00 - 13/10/2010 05:45:45 PM 1003 Views
Question (and this one actually is asking for information )... Legolas - 13/10/2010 06:42:17 PM 792 Views
Yes and no Roland00 - 13/10/2010 06:53:26 PM 1078 Views
Okay, fair enough. *NM* Legolas - 13/10/2010 07:48:21 PM 408 Views
I would think... damookster - 14/10/2010 04:35:31 AM 950 Views
I have seen gays be bullied before random thoughts - 13/10/2010 07:02:35 PM 1005 Views
You just didn't listen to a thing I said *NM* Roland00 - 13/10/2010 07:09:29 PM 420 Views
why do you believe that? Because I don't agree with what you said? random thoughts - 13/10/2010 07:30:27 PM 917 Views
I said you aren't listening to a thing I said, for you didn't respond to anything that I wrote Roland00 - 13/10/2010 07:52:50 PM 924 Views
you are not interested in talking to anyone who doesn't agree with you random thoughts - 13/10/2010 09:01:03 PM 898 Views
I think there's truth in this as well. Legolas - 13/10/2010 07:55:00 PM 935 Views
churches tend to refelect society as much if not more then they influence it random thoughts - 14/10/2010 07:15:35 PM 901 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point Zalis - 13/10/2010 08:30:42 PM 960 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point Roland00 - 13/10/2010 09:55:52 PM 975 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point Zalis - 14/10/2010 03:49:14 PM 994 Views
Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level Roland00 - 14/10/2010 05:49:22 PM 1014 Views
Re: Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level Zalis - 14/10/2010 08:52:24 PM 1027 Views
Do you know greek or hebrew? Roland00 - 14/10/2010 08:57:32 PM 876 Views
I know a few words here and there, but not really. Do you? Zalis - 14/10/2010 10:46:36 PM 1014 Views
There's a good case on both sides (try Strong's Concordance, if you haven't, btw. ) Joel - 15/10/2010 05:09:21 AM 1445 Views
I don't look to Christianity for my answers Roland00 - 15/10/2010 03:02:16 PM 972 Views
Re: I don't look to Christianity for my answers Zalis - 15/10/2010 04:27:25 PM 1016 Views
You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point Rowland - 13/10/2010 05:51:53 PM 1046 Views
so should Christians abandon other religious conviction to stop bullying? random thoughts - 13/10/2010 07:39:54 PM 919 Views
Re: You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point Zalis - 13/10/2010 08:23:07 PM 940 Views
That seems a little myopic to me. Joel - 14/10/2010 09:16:27 AM 903 Views
Many good points there; I think I'll let you play Defender of the Faith for a bit. Joel - 14/10/2010 08:50:23 AM 1029 Views
I think he is jackass that does not believe other's can have apoint of view random thoughts - 13/10/2010 06:48:12 PM 911 Views
That's right, bullying would go away if we didn't have Christians to make moral judgements on things ßelals Girl - 13/10/2010 08:11:27 PM 999 Views
I mostly agree ironclad - 13/10/2010 08:19:00 PM 1066 Views
most of the bullies I remember from school were not known for their regular church attendance random thoughts - 14/10/2010 07:24:06 PM 878 Views
I thought I pretty much agreed with you on that point ironclad - 14/10/2010 07:44:07 PM 938 Views
Let me see if I can understand where we agree, it is hard to do with all the Sarcasm Roland00 - 13/10/2010 08:48:38 PM 966 Views
Meh. He's not entirely incorrect. But not all Christians are anti-gay. Ghavrel - 13/10/2010 08:43:04 PM 964 Views
It is better to be a Tolkein than a Token Roland00 - 13/10/2010 08:52:09 PM 922 Views
If I were a Tolkien liberal Christian, wouldn't that make me an American Roman Catholic? *NM* Ghavrel - 13/10/2010 09:18:57 PM 368 Views
Interesting scalius - 13/10/2010 08:56:46 PM 1247 Views
Sometime rants do work and change people's mind Roland00 - 13/10/2010 09:23:39 PM 879 Views
and sometoimes they are just rants *NM* random thoughts - 13/10/2010 10:01:55 PM 371 Views
Okay my response now Roland00 - 14/10/2010 06:04:02 PM 965 Views
His first three sentences were totally unecessary. The rest is conspiracy-laden nonsense. everynametaken - 14/10/2010 12:37:06 AM 1033 Views
He becomes what he hates. eucatastrophe - 14/10/2010 02:40:19 AM 1119 Views
Good stuff. *NM* Aeryn - 14/10/2010 02:56:44 AM 392 Views
Re: Gaps - 14/10/2010 03:06:36 AM 971 Views
I think Chora has dibs on that bumper sticker. Joel - 14/10/2010 09:35:02 AM 1051 Views
Re: Gaps - 14/10/2010 11:50:04 PM 1046 Views
It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. Joel - 15/10/2010 01:16:10 AM 934 Views
Re: It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. Gaps - 16/10/2010 05:20:56 AM 1001 Views
Re: It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. Joel - 16/10/2010 07:16:21 AM 927 Views
I don't think there is any question... damookster - 14/10/2010 04:42:45 AM 936 Views
If I may quibble: Ghavrel - 14/10/2010 05:22:22 AM 791 Views
A lot of Christian doctrine states that people cannot know who is worthy of God and it's not up to Helene - 14/10/2010 05:41:19 AM 932 Views
And a lot of Christians who should know better forget this. Joel - 14/10/2010 10:16:51 AM 998 Views
He's bullying Christians Helene - 14/10/2010 04:47:13 AM 920 Views
I agree BlackAdder - 14/10/2010 04:09:23 PM 1000 Views
I think he's reading a lot of things into that letter that aren't there. Joel - 14/10/2010 08:22:13 AM 893 Views
Two seperate things are mingled here Bramhodoulos - 14/10/2010 09:50:42 AM 1135 Views
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