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Re: You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point Zalis Send a noteboard - 13/10/2010 08:23:07 PM
Whether or not you are demonizing homosexuals, the simple fact is that they are being treated differently than all the other sinners. Sure, we're all sinners in the eyes of the Lord, great, but all those other sinners can still be married. If gays aren't super sinners, as you put it, why are they singled out in this regard?


I said that they're singled out because homosexuality has a big "gross" factor, and some Christians react with that instead of a Biblical argument. If someone's going to make a big deal out of homosexuality, they should consider making just as big a deal out of adultery, etc, in general.

You state that you don't support gay marriage without addressing this simple disconnect. And whether or not I agree with his argument that this leads to an implicit sanctioning of their bullying or whatever other mistreatment, that kind of renders the rest of your argument rather academic.


I don't "support" Gay marriage in the same way that I don't "support" live-in lovers. Expecting Christians to endorse or "support" Gay marriage is a pretty big double standard. It's one group of people demanding another to embrace or endorse something that's against their convictions. That's a lot different than asking folks to understand that some people are different from you, and that you shouldn't harass them about it. (claims of right and wrong completely aside)
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Love the Sinner Roland00 - 13/10/2010 04:07:28 PM 1437 Views
I have to think about that for a while. nossy - 13/10/2010 04:30:56 PM 1001 Views
Suicide is significantly higher in young gay populations Roland00 - 13/10/2010 05:36:01 PM 921 Views
That is not what I think requires thought nossy - 13/10/2010 05:56:06 PM 932 Views
Nossy I ain't a mind reader, no matter how I try or how much I would do Jean Grey Roland00 - 13/10/2010 06:06:42 PM 1071 Views
for ze record nossy - 14/10/2010 02:54:07 AM 958 Views
ok now show that it caused by what Christian beliefs *NM* random thoughts - 13/10/2010 06:50:32 PM 454 Views
I don't think it's the belief's themselves LadyLorraine - 14/10/2010 12:20:01 AM 945 Views
The churches who encourage people to bully gays should be condemned random thoughts - 14/10/2010 06:43:06 PM 954 Views
Re: I have to think about that for a while. Rebekah - 13/10/2010 06:29:09 PM 928 Views
He was very frank but completely founded Fox and Ravens - 13/10/2010 04:34:46 PM 1052 Views
Ah, that Ghandi quote sure does get around. (which is funny, since he wasn't a Christian) Zalis - 13/10/2010 05:07:42 PM 1036 Views
I'm not sure that is true snoopcester - 13/10/2010 05:16:30 PM 921 Views
When's the last time you heard the quote attributed to anyone else? Zalis - 13/10/2010 08:34:10 PM 895 Views
That many people don't know the correct origin doesn't change it though snoopcester - 13/10/2010 09:31:13 PM 1044 Views
I think you are missing his point Roland00 - 13/10/2010 05:45:45 PM 1027 Views
Question (and this one actually is asking for information )... Legolas - 13/10/2010 06:42:17 PM 822 Views
Yes and no Roland00 - 13/10/2010 06:53:26 PM 1106 Views
Okay, fair enough. *NM* Legolas - 13/10/2010 07:48:21 PM 429 Views
I would think... damookster - 14/10/2010 04:35:31 AM 984 Views
I have seen gays be bullied before random thoughts - 13/10/2010 07:02:35 PM 1039 Views
You just didn't listen to a thing I said *NM* Roland00 - 13/10/2010 07:09:29 PM 438 Views
why do you believe that? Because I don't agree with what you said? random thoughts - 13/10/2010 07:30:27 PM 950 Views
I said you aren't listening to a thing I said, for you didn't respond to anything that I wrote Roland00 - 13/10/2010 07:52:50 PM 956 Views
you are not interested in talking to anyone who doesn't agree with you random thoughts - 13/10/2010 09:01:03 PM 930 Views
I think there's truth in this as well. Legolas - 13/10/2010 07:55:00 PM 960 Views
churches tend to refelect society as much if not more then they influence it random thoughts - 14/10/2010 07:15:35 PM 930 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point Zalis - 13/10/2010 08:30:42 PM 989 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point Roland00 - 13/10/2010 09:55:52 PM 1009 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point Zalis - 14/10/2010 03:49:14 PM 1026 Views
Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level Roland00 - 14/10/2010 05:49:22 PM 1044 Views
Re: Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level Zalis - 14/10/2010 08:52:24 PM 1056 Views
Do you know greek or hebrew? Roland00 - 14/10/2010 08:57:32 PM 900 Views
I know a few words here and there, but not really. Do you? Zalis - 14/10/2010 10:46:36 PM 1052 Views
There's a good case on both sides (try Strong's Concordance, if you haven't, btw. ) Joel - 15/10/2010 05:09:21 AM 1480 Views
I don't look to Christianity for my answers Roland00 - 15/10/2010 03:02:16 PM 1006 Views
Re: I don't look to Christianity for my answers Zalis - 15/10/2010 04:27:25 PM 1056 Views
You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point Rowland - 13/10/2010 05:51:53 PM 1067 Views
so should Christians abandon other religious conviction to stop bullying? random thoughts - 13/10/2010 07:39:54 PM 948 Views
Re: You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point Zalis - 13/10/2010 08:23:07 PM 970 Views
That seems a little myopic to me. Joel - 14/10/2010 09:16:27 AM 936 Views
Many good points there; I think I'll let you play Defender of the Faith for a bit. Joel - 14/10/2010 08:50:23 AM 1057 Views
I think he is jackass that does not believe other's can have apoint of view random thoughts - 13/10/2010 06:48:12 PM 939 Views
That's right, bullying would go away if we didn't have Christians to make moral judgements on things ßelals Girl - 13/10/2010 08:11:27 PM 1033 Views
I mostly agree ironclad - 13/10/2010 08:19:00 PM 1099 Views
most of the bullies I remember from school were not known for their regular church attendance random thoughts - 14/10/2010 07:24:06 PM 909 Views
I thought I pretty much agreed with you on that point ironclad - 14/10/2010 07:44:07 PM 964 Views
Let me see if I can understand where we agree, it is hard to do with all the Sarcasm Roland00 - 13/10/2010 08:48:38 PM 995 Views
Meh. He's not entirely incorrect. But not all Christians are anti-gay. Ghavrel - 13/10/2010 08:43:04 PM 998 Views
It is better to be a Tolkein than a Token Roland00 - 13/10/2010 08:52:09 PM 951 Views
If I were a Tolkien liberal Christian, wouldn't that make me an American Roman Catholic? *NM* Ghavrel - 13/10/2010 09:18:57 PM 387 Views
Interesting scalius - 13/10/2010 08:56:46 PM 1268 Views
Sometime rants do work and change people's mind Roland00 - 13/10/2010 09:23:39 PM 915 Views
and sometoimes they are just rants *NM* random thoughts - 13/10/2010 10:01:55 PM 388 Views
Okay my response now Roland00 - 14/10/2010 06:04:02 PM 993 Views
His first three sentences were totally unecessary. The rest is conspiracy-laden nonsense. everynametaken - 14/10/2010 12:37:06 AM 1065 Views
He becomes what he hates. eucatastrophe - 14/10/2010 02:40:19 AM 1146 Views
Good stuff. *NM* Aeryn - 14/10/2010 02:56:44 AM 410 Views
Re: Gaps - 14/10/2010 03:06:36 AM 1027 Views
I think Chora has dibs on that bumper sticker. Joel - 14/10/2010 09:35:02 AM 1085 Views
Re: Gaps - 14/10/2010 11:50:04 PM 1077 Views
It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. Joel - 15/10/2010 01:16:10 AM 961 Views
Re: It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. Gaps - 16/10/2010 05:20:56 AM 1031 Views
Re: It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. Joel - 16/10/2010 07:16:21 AM 958 Views
I don't think there is any question... damookster - 14/10/2010 04:42:45 AM 964 Views
If I may quibble: Ghavrel - 14/10/2010 05:22:22 AM 822 Views
A lot of Christian doctrine states that people cannot know who is worthy of God and it's not up to Helene - 14/10/2010 05:41:19 AM 968 Views
And a lot of Christians who should know better forget this. Joel - 14/10/2010 10:16:51 AM 1023 Views
He's bullying Christians Helene - 14/10/2010 04:47:13 AM 957 Views
I agree BlackAdder - 14/10/2010 04:09:23 PM 1030 Views
I think he's reading a lot of things into that letter that aren't there. Joel - 14/10/2010 08:22:13 AM 924 Views
Two seperate things are mingled here Bramhodoulos - 14/10/2010 09:50:42 AM 1166 Views
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