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That many people don't know the correct origin doesn't change it though snoopcester Send a noteboard - 13/10/2010 09:31:13 PM
The earliest known attribution that I'm aware of is Christian, by some way. Which makes the use of it well judged

Despite the precedent being there, it's not a verbatim quote from the Bible. Kind of like people assuming "God helps those who help themselves" is in there, too.


Indeed, of course I never said it was in the bible.

This is somewhat relevant to the debate, too. A lot of people culturally identify with Christianity, but do little to nothing that actually makes them a Christian. If they did, they might be reading the Word more to know what's actually in there. (and treat all folks as what we are, beggars leading other beggars to real substance)


Plenty of people have read it over the years and come out with very, very different ideas of what is actually in there
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Love the Sinner Roland00 - 13/10/2010 04:07:28 PM 1273 Views
I have to think about that for a while. nossy - 13/10/2010 04:30:56 PM 799 Views
Suicide is significantly higher in young gay populations Roland00 - 13/10/2010 05:36:01 PM 737 Views
That is not what I think requires thought nossy - 13/10/2010 05:56:06 PM 753 Views
Nossy I ain't a mind reader, no matter how I try or how much I would do Jean Grey Roland00 - 13/10/2010 06:06:42 PM 878 Views
for ze record nossy - 14/10/2010 02:54:07 AM 768 Views
ok now show that it caused by what Christian beliefs *NM* random thoughts - 13/10/2010 06:50:32 PM 373 Views
I don't think it's the belief's themselves LadyLorraine - 14/10/2010 12:20:01 AM 780 Views
The churches who encourage people to bully gays should be condemned random thoughts - 14/10/2010 06:43:06 PM 772 Views
Re: I have to think about that for a while. Rebekah - 13/10/2010 06:29:09 PM 773 Views
He was very frank but completely founded Fox and Ravens - 13/10/2010 04:34:46 PM 838 Views
Ah, that Ghandi quote sure does get around. (which is funny, since he wasn't a Christian) Zalis - 13/10/2010 05:07:42 PM 856 Views
I'm not sure that is true snoopcester - 13/10/2010 05:16:30 PM 738 Views
When's the last time you heard the quote attributed to anyone else? Zalis - 13/10/2010 08:34:10 PM 724 Views
That many people don't know the correct origin doesn't change it though snoopcester - 13/10/2010 09:31:13 PM 863 Views
I think you are missing his point Roland00 - 13/10/2010 05:45:45 PM 823 Views
Question (and this one actually is asking for information )... Legolas - 13/10/2010 06:42:17 PM 663 Views
Yes and no Roland00 - 13/10/2010 06:53:26 PM 930 Views
Okay, fair enough. *NM* Legolas - 13/10/2010 07:48:21 PM 330 Views
I would think... damookster - 14/10/2010 04:35:31 AM 815 Views
I have seen gays be bullied before random thoughts - 13/10/2010 07:02:35 PM 865 Views
You just didn't listen to a thing I said *NM* Roland00 - 13/10/2010 07:09:29 PM 336 Views
why do you believe that? Because I don't agree with what you said? random thoughts - 13/10/2010 07:30:27 PM 773 Views
I said you aren't listening to a thing I said, for you didn't respond to anything that I wrote Roland00 - 13/10/2010 07:52:50 PM 753 Views
you are not interested in talking to anyone who doesn't agree with you random thoughts - 13/10/2010 09:01:03 PM 747 Views
I think there's truth in this as well. Legolas - 13/10/2010 07:55:00 PM 793 Views
churches tend to refelect society as much if not more then they influence it random thoughts - 14/10/2010 07:15:35 PM 768 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point Zalis - 13/10/2010 08:30:42 PM 827 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point Roland00 - 13/10/2010 09:55:52 PM 828 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point Zalis - 14/10/2010 03:49:14 PM 830 Views
Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level Roland00 - 14/10/2010 05:49:22 PM 865 Views
Re: Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level Zalis - 14/10/2010 08:52:24 PM 866 Views
Do you know greek or hebrew? Roland00 - 14/10/2010 08:57:32 PM 726 Views
I know a few words here and there, but not really. Do you? Zalis - 14/10/2010 10:46:36 PM 851 Views
There's a good case on both sides (try Strong's Concordance, if you haven't, btw. ) Joel - 15/10/2010 05:09:21 AM 1277 Views
I don't look to Christianity for my answers Roland00 - 15/10/2010 03:02:16 PM 831 Views
Re: I don't look to Christianity for my answers Zalis - 15/10/2010 04:27:25 PM 864 Views
You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point Rowland - 13/10/2010 05:51:53 PM 869 Views
so should Christians abandon other religious conviction to stop bullying? random thoughts - 13/10/2010 07:39:54 PM 765 Views
Re: You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point Zalis - 13/10/2010 08:23:07 PM 795 Views
That seems a little myopic to me. Joel - 14/10/2010 09:16:27 AM 772 Views
Many good points there; I think I'll let you play Defender of the Faith for a bit. Joel - 14/10/2010 08:50:23 AM 874 Views
I think he is jackass that does not believe other's can have apoint of view random thoughts - 13/10/2010 06:48:12 PM 766 Views
That's right, bullying would go away if we didn't have Christians to make moral judgements on things ßelals Girl - 13/10/2010 08:11:27 PM 843 Views
I mostly agree ironclad - 13/10/2010 08:19:00 PM 925 Views
most of the bullies I remember from school were not known for their regular church attendance random thoughts - 14/10/2010 07:24:06 PM 749 Views
I thought I pretty much agreed with you on that point ironclad - 14/10/2010 07:44:07 PM 797 Views
Let me see if I can understand where we agree, it is hard to do with all the Sarcasm Roland00 - 13/10/2010 08:48:38 PM 802 Views
Meh. He's not entirely incorrect. But not all Christians are anti-gay. Ghavrel - 13/10/2010 08:43:04 PM 821 Views
It is better to be a Tolkein than a Token Roland00 - 13/10/2010 08:52:09 PM 794 Views
If I were a Tolkien liberal Christian, wouldn't that make me an American Roman Catholic? *NM* Ghavrel - 13/10/2010 09:18:57 PM 308 Views
Interesting scalius - 13/10/2010 08:56:46 PM 1087 Views
Sometime rants do work and change people's mind Roland00 - 13/10/2010 09:23:39 PM 673 Views
and sometoimes they are just rants *NM* random thoughts - 13/10/2010 10:01:55 PM 314 Views
Okay my response now Roland00 - 14/10/2010 06:04:02 PM 822 Views
His first three sentences were totally unecessary. The rest is conspiracy-laden nonsense. everynametaken - 14/10/2010 12:37:06 AM 859 Views
He becomes what he hates. eucatastrophe - 14/10/2010 02:40:19 AM 953 Views
Good stuff. *NM* Aeryn - 14/10/2010 02:56:44 AM 336 Views
Re: Gaps - 14/10/2010 03:06:36 AM 832 Views
I think Chora has dibs on that bumper sticker. Joel - 14/10/2010 09:35:02 AM 906 Views
Re: Gaps - 14/10/2010 11:50:04 PM 894 Views
It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. Joel - 15/10/2010 01:16:10 AM 753 Views
Re: It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. Gaps - 16/10/2010 05:20:56 AM 853 Views
Re: It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. Joel - 16/10/2010 07:16:21 AM 774 Views
I don't think there is any question... damookster - 14/10/2010 04:42:45 AM 797 Views
If I may quibble: Ghavrel - 14/10/2010 05:22:22 AM 648 Views
A lot of Christian doctrine states that people cannot know who is worthy of God and it's not up to Helene - 14/10/2010 05:41:19 AM 795 Views
And a lot of Christians who should know better forget this. Joel - 14/10/2010 10:16:51 AM 839 Views
He's bullying Christians Helene - 14/10/2010 04:47:13 AM 777 Views
I agree BlackAdder - 14/10/2010 04:09:23 PM 871 Views
I think he's reading a lot of things into that letter that aren't there. Joel - 14/10/2010 08:22:13 AM 749 Views
Two seperate things are mingled here Bramhodoulos - 14/10/2010 09:50:42 AM 973 Views
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