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I worry North Korea long ago decided to solve domestic problems with international aggression. Joel Send a noteboard - 23/11/2010 02:26:36 PM
The only explanation I can find for the lack of a robust reponse to North Korea (a country which poses a far greater risk to world and regional peace than, say, Iran) is that the South, the USA and their other allies are hoping North Korea will disintegrate on its own under a tidal wave of economic collapse (one more famine like the one in the mid-1990s will do it) and they can send in peacekeepers and humanitarian aid rather than mount a full-scale invasion.

Certainly, it seems likely that South Korea simply letting the North get away with sinking one of their warships earlier this year with no retaliation encouraged the North to take further action. A more robust South Korean response could dissuade further escalation. OTOH, it could also trigger it, considering that the North Koreans are even more jittery than normal. Certainly not a decision I'd like to make.

They have no food; South Korea has plenty. The main thing staying our hand, IMHO, is that North Korea remains a Chinese satellite and the US doesn't desire the direct military conflict confronting North Korea would cause (nor do South Korea or Japan). Unfortunately that merely raises the ante without otherwise changing the game; if China is less bellicose toward us, has committed less acts of war against us in the last decade than North Korea has against South Korea, it's only because the Kims are a tough act to follow. The dictators and autocrats know von Clausewitz well, however: They will, as others of their ilk before them, make a pretense of diplomacy so long as peaceful nations will cede their desires at no cost, but they know that even Chamberlain had his limit, consequently they constantly prepare for their inevitable war. At some point, in Seoul, or Tokyo, or Delhi, or Brisbane, someone is going to decide they don't want their own native Tiananmen Square, and at that point they will be reminded who first said, "political power comes out of the barrel of a gun". I pray they do not accept reality too late.

It should be an interesting decade or two. America no longer has the ability even if it ever had the desire to defend Europe from authoritarian regimes, and Europe has lacked the means since the '20s. Hopefully Putin remembers the Alamo as well as I do.... ;)
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North Korea attacks South Korea and no one mentions it? - 23/11/2010 10:56:03 AM 1293 Views
"Oh God, Oh God, we are all going to die?" - 23/11/2010 11:09:30 AM 1086 Views
Yup, but the day Beijing decides they're better off not intervening the Appeasers look very dumb. - 23/11/2010 11:23:35 AM 929 Views
The appeasers look very dumb at this point regardless. - 23/11/2010 04:11:41 PM 852 Views
yes, because we want to fight *ANOTHER* proxy war with china *NM* - 23/11/2010 04:29:18 PM 484 Views
"Wanting" has nothing to do with it. There are few alternatives. - 23/11/2010 04:50:02 PM 986 Views
Honestly, it COULD go either way. - 23/11/2010 05:14:18 PM 1130 Views
China's relations with North Korea are also worsening, though. - 25/11/2010 05:48:01 PM 1264 Views
What Tom said. - 23/11/2010 05:15:31 PM 933 Views
I figured someone else would post it *NM* - 23/11/2010 11:16:44 AM 424 Views
You know I like to sleep in, remember? - 23/11/2010 11:20:33 AM 928 Views
Agreed - 23/11/2010 02:07:30 PM 1036 Views
I worry North Korea long ago decided to solve domestic problems with international aggression. - 23/11/2010 02:26:36 PM 949 Views
I think most Americans are asleep until the sun rises here - 23/11/2010 11:32:28 AM 942 Views
That is 'cause everyone else is hiding out in their nuclear bunkers - 23/11/2010 11:40:33 AM 927 Views
Re: That is 'cause everyone else is hiding out in their nuclear bunkers - 23/11/2010 11:46:03 AM 976 Views
Re: That is 'cause everyone else is hiding out in their nuclear bunkers - 23/11/2010 11:57:51 AM 858 Views
The really sad part is, that along with everything else worthwhile in the British Empire... - 25/11/2010 09:49:00 AM 1105 Views
you know what they say - 25/11/2010 10:34:30 AM 953 Views
Never send an Englishman to do a man's work? - 25/11/2010 09:06:22 PM 956 Views
I actually had no clue. - 23/11/2010 01:14:20 PM 936 Views
Re: I actually had no clue. - 23/11/2010 01:15:10 PM 800 Views
Re: I actually had no clue. - 23/11/2010 04:32:17 PM 910 Views
Re: I actually had no clue. - 23/11/2010 04:36:59 PM 880 Views
Honestly, - 23/11/2010 02:36:13 PM 847 Views
you know the world doesn't exist until america wakes up in the morning, right? *NM* - 23/11/2010 04:27:27 PM 452 Views
I had an inkling. *NM* - 23/11/2010 04:37:37 PM 488 Views
OK, have had time to read it, and someone needs to fact check a very important part of that article. - 23/11/2010 04:52:02 PM 1027 Views
Fact checking: - 23/11/2010 08:38:57 PM 930 Views
The term "truce" used in a different Guardian article seems better. - 23/11/2010 09:20:19 PM 859 Views
my two bits - 23/11/2010 10:51:51 PM 986 Views
I'm glad your ex wasn't there in 1970 then. - 24/11/2010 01:10:02 AM 962 Views
Well - 23/11/2010 05:24:02 PM 966 Views
There's not going to be any all-out conflict - 24/11/2010 12:56:44 AM 1088 Views
They're getting aid from South Korea now, and killing them anyway. - 24/11/2010 01:20:33 AM 1039 Views
No kidding, that's been going on for quite some time. - 24/11/2010 02:49:50 AM 911 Views
That is the crux of it, I suppose. - 24/11/2010 03:02:40 PM 993 Views
~shrugs~ SK has lived with this a long time, and will continue to do so. - 24/11/2010 10:26:44 PM 967 Views
Parts of it have; some South Koreans stopped living with it a few days ago. - 25/11/2010 01:48:02 PM 1568 Views
They won't be the last. - 02/12/2010 12:55:20 AM 1141 Views
Re: North Korea attacks South Korea and no one mentions it? - 24/11/2010 01:50:11 AM 875 Views

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