"Wanting" has nothing to do with it. There are few alternatives.
Tom Send a noteboard - 23/11/2010 04:50:02 PM
The West has offered North Korea virtually everything it can think of - recognition, food, fuel, economic investment and development, security guarantees - but North Korea's regime is propped up so poorly, and so dependent on the perpetuation of a military standoff, that it is afraid to even engage on China-style reforms that might stabilize the country. As we know, it made some half-hearted efforts to create special economic zones, which it then closed quickly.
"Wanting" or "not wanting" war is irrelevant. We need to accept that North Korea is an unstable and dangerous regime that will only become more dangerous if allowed to remain. If China is unwilling to control its puppet state, the West should be ready to remove that state. China would not directly participate in a war that would destroy its economic growth and precipitate a potential revolution at home, and if for some crazy reason it did, then the same logic that says now is the time to fight rather than 50 years from now is doubly true with respect to China as it is with respect to North Korea.
"Wanting" or "not wanting" war is irrelevant. We need to accept that North Korea is an unstable and dangerous regime that will only become more dangerous if allowed to remain. If China is unwilling to control its puppet state, the West should be ready to remove that state. China would not directly participate in a war that would destroy its economic growth and precipitate a potential revolution at home, and if for some crazy reason it did, then the same logic that says now is the time to fight rather than 50 years from now is doubly true with respect to China as it is with respect to North Korea.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
North Korea attacks South Korea and no one mentions it?
- 23/11/2010 10:56:03 AM
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"Oh God, Oh God, we are all going to die?"
- 23/11/2010 11:09:30 AM
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- 23/11/2010 11:09:30 AM
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Yup, but the day Beijing decides they're better off not intervening the Appeasers look very dumb.
- 23/11/2010 11:23:35 AM
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The appeasers look very dumb at this point regardless.
- 23/11/2010 04:11:41 PM
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yes, because we want to fight *ANOTHER* proxy war with china
*NM*
- 23/11/2010 04:29:18 PM
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*NM*
- 23/11/2010 04:29:18 PM
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"Wanting" has nothing to do with it. There are few alternatives.
- 23/11/2010 04:50:02 PM
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Honestly, it COULD go either way.
- 23/11/2010 05:14:18 PM
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The fact that it could go either way is a testimony to the longevity of Chinese leaders.
- 23/11/2010 07:04:14 PM
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I don't believe in striking first but, frankly, it's long been a moot point.
- 23/11/2010 05:09:49 PM
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You know I like to sleep in, remember?
- 23/11/2010 11:20:33 AM
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- 23/11/2010 11:20:33 AM
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Agreed
- 23/11/2010 02:07:30 PM
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I worry North Korea long ago decided to solve domestic problems with international aggression.
- 23/11/2010 02:26:36 PM
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That is 'cause everyone else is hiding out in their nuclear bunkers
- 23/11/2010 11:40:33 AM
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- 23/11/2010 11:40:33 AM
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Re: That is 'cause everyone else is hiding out in their nuclear bunkers
- 23/11/2010 11:46:03 AM
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- 23/11/2010 11:46:03 AM
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Re: That is 'cause everyone else is hiding out in their nuclear bunkers
- 23/11/2010 11:57:51 AM
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- 23/11/2010 11:57:51 AM
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The really sad part is, that along with everything else worthwhile in the British Empire...
- 25/11/2010 09:49:00 AM
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I actually had no clue.
- 23/11/2010 01:14:20 PM
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Re: I actually had no clue.
- 23/11/2010 01:15:10 PM
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- 23/11/2010 04:32:17 PM
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Re: I actually had no clue.
- 23/11/2010 04:36:59 PM
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Careful; qualify all your generalizations and people (especially him) will think you're me.
- 25/11/2010 02:03:42 PM
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- 25/11/2010 02:03:42 PM
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Nuke the fuckers and be done with it. And let China know it's their fault. *NM*
- 23/11/2010 02:58:56 PM
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you know the world doesn't exist until america wakes up in the morning, right? *NM*
- 23/11/2010 04:27:27 PM
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OK, have had time to read it, and someone needs to fact check a very important part of that article.
- 23/11/2010 04:52:02 PM
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Fact checking:
- 23/11/2010 08:38:57 PM
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The term "truce" used in a different Guardian article seems better.
- 23/11/2010 09:20:19 PM
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Well
- 23/11/2010 05:24:02 PM
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Same reason we don't give all our allies (especially neighbors) our best hardware.
- 23/11/2010 07:43:54 PM
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Actually, no, it looks like The Guardian is just schizoid on this subject.
- 23/11/2010 08:16:45 PM
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This has been coming for a while but I hoped the West would step up and help out. *NM*
- 23/11/2010 08:31:40 PM
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There's not going to be any all-out conflict
- 24/11/2010 12:56:44 AM
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They're getting aid from South Korea now, and killing them anyway.
- 24/11/2010 01:20:33 AM
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No kidding, that's been going on for quite some time.
- 24/11/2010 02:49:50 AM
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That is the crux of it, I suppose.
- 24/11/2010 03:02:40 PM
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~shrugs~ SK has lived with this a long time, and will continue to do so.
- 24/11/2010 10:26:44 PM
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Parts of it have; some South Koreans stopped living with it a few days ago.
- 25/11/2010 01:48:02 PM
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