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No, I got the point, I'm just not sure it's that cut and dried. Joel Send a noteboard - 24/11/2010 01:41:40 PM
What I can tell you is that if my disabled mother had had to get out of her car and be searched just to drive down to the airport and meet me on the curb outside the terminal every time I came home, she'd have raised unholy hell with everyone in sight. Had I been forced to do the same and then submit to ADDITIONAL security checks just to see my fiancee off last Christmas I'd have been a bit upset, too.

That first check is a very brief one, no search involved but just asking those two questions and looking at how you behave while answering them, since their focus is on behaviour rather than forbidden items. For most people this'll be a 5-10 second stop before you're on your way.

Again, just because it works in Jerusalem doesn't mean it will work at LAX or O'Hare; the logistics are different. It's probably worth a try, but the suggestion Americans and Canadians are more tolerant of impositions doesn't really follow from evidence in the form of security checks to even enter the property or buildings. Perhaps such additional levels of security are wise, but let's not pretend less obtrusive yet stricter security demonstrates a lower Israeli tolerance for invasiveness. That we don't have security checks when you enter the grounds AND airport buildings probably has less to do with incompetence than with the frequency with which Americans would respond to "who are you and where do you come from?" with "screw off and die, you're not my mother". Something tells me that conversation doesn't end with "have a nice day, sir"....
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So, people travelling in the US tomorrow: are you opting out? - 23/11/2010 10:45:03 PM 917 Views
Meh. - 23/11/2010 11:23:17 PM 871 Views
How did the NYTimes phrase this again... oh yes. - 23/11/2010 11:42:29 PM 887 Views
This article about "Isrealification" is interesting - 24/11/2010 12:54:59 AM 942 Views
We have that saying here, too. - 24/11/2010 01:50:03 AM 862 Views
Re: We have that saying here, too. - 24/11/2010 02:05:09 AM 787 Views
a loaded gun clip was found left on a plane by an off-duty cop just today in fact.... - 24/11/2010 05:06:15 AM 688 Views
Yeah, but he was allowed to take his gun with him - 24/11/2010 05:22:05 AM 761 Views
Security is worse than before 911? - 24/11/2010 02:03:21 PM 740 Views
You're missing the point - 24/11/2010 09:48:42 AM 771 Views
No, I got the point, I'm just not sure it's that cut and dried. - 24/11/2010 01:41:40 PM 837 Views
Wrong spot. *NM* - 24/11/2010 02:00:05 PM 304 Views
The thing about the gun just proves how good the behavioural profiling is. - 25/11/2010 09:49:55 AM 581 Views
Good point. - 25/11/2010 02:08:57 PM 962 Views
If all goes as they say it does, it sounds like a very good system *NM* - 24/11/2010 04:23:42 AM 296 Views
supposedly the israel model "does not scale" - 24/11/2010 05:14:53 AM 868 Views
Which is pretty much what I figured. - 24/11/2010 01:56:24 PM 773 Views
Sounds about right *NM* - 24/11/2010 02:26:43 PM 244 Views
No, US air traffic controllers don't go on strike. - 24/11/2010 01:37:30 AM 799 Views
Re: No, US air traffic controllers don't go on strike. - 24/11/2010 01:48:30 PM 757 Views
The long term effects are unknown? - 24/11/2010 02:23:24 PM 661 Views
They should be prepared enough to do mass pat-downs - 24/11/2010 02:00:07 AM 560 Views
If I was travelling, I would not opt out. - 24/11/2010 12:32:06 AM 690 Views
I would - 24/11/2010 01:56:56 AM 740 Views
I've got no problem with the scanners, but people are welcome to object - 24/11/2010 02:20:25 AM 1005 Views
Nice idea, but . . . - 24/11/2010 05:38:11 PM 637 Views
I'm not sure, but its not a big obstacle - 24/11/2010 07:39:22 PM 748 Views
I see some sheep have replied to your post. *NM* - 24/11/2010 03:17:00 AM 262 Views
I assume you are less than fond of the situation, then? *NM* - 24/11/2010 03:25:45 AM 393 Views
You assume correctly. - 24/11/2010 03:44:23 AM 923 Views
Not saying this applies in reality... - 24/11/2010 04:25:25 AM 764 Views
If grandmas aren't getting groped at the airport... - 24/11/2010 04:38:50 AM 768 Views
just out of curiousity, do either you or litdog have any solutions? - 24/11/2010 04:59:07 AM 672 Views
Stop adding useless and invasive procedures. *NM* - 24/11/2010 05:19:23 AM 298 Views
yes that's all well and good. - 24/11/2010 05:37:01 AM 599 Views
It would be the same as it was before this nonsense. EDITED - 24/11/2010 06:18:57 AM 835 Views
if that's what your comfortable with, then. Fair enough *NM* - 24/11/2010 06:22:46 AM 270 Views
Read my edit for what I think is a bit more balanced. *NM* - 24/11/2010 06:29:11 AM 264 Views
read And yah, it sounds like you're a bit like me. - 24/11/2010 06:54:15 AM 706 Views
Re: read And yah, it sounds like you're a bit like me. - 24/11/2010 07:24:59 PM 699 Views
Become the enemy and they win, but is this is really a Civil Rights issue? - 24/11/2010 02:16:43 PM 873 Views
It doesn't grant interstate CAR travel either. - 24/11/2010 04:29:30 PM 599 Views
Very simple: - 24/11/2010 07:28:45 PM 840 Views
I fully support the protest, by the way. - 24/11/2010 03:45:43 AM 654 Views
I doubt it. - 24/11/2010 04:35:03 AM 882 Views
I'm considering doing it. - 24/11/2010 05:17:43 AM 536 Views
At least have the decency to refer to us as 'sheeple' *NM* - 24/11/2010 03:39:47 AM 260 Views
You didn't seem to be among the sheep. *NM* - 24/11/2010 03:45:06 AM 269 Views
Well, yeah. - 24/11/2010 03:51:03 AM 637 Views
Probably true! *NM* - 24/11/2010 03:51:53 AM 226 Views
Whiners - 24/11/2010 11:26:22 AM 729 Views
Well, I opted out. - 24/11/2010 02:00:49 PM 871 Views
in january im going for the pat down *NM* - 24/11/2010 05:17:32 PM 236 Views
Only morons fly in the U.S. on Thanksgiving day. *NM* - 24/11/2010 05:42:04 PM 354 Views
Very few people do. The day before Thanksgiving, however... - 24/11/2010 06:43:32 PM 598 Views
Of course. I mixed my days up. I apologize. - 26/11/2010 06:27:49 PM 729 Views
Re: Is it weird that I just want to be touched? - 24/11/2010 05:59:50 PM 681 Views
Ma'am, in your case, unless you "present as" male. *NM* - 24/11/2010 06:44:51 PM 309 Views
Here's a report on the scanners, that you might just want to get felt up. - 24/11/2010 08:56:09 PM 800 Views

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