Yet somehow it's illegal for a police officer to pat you down on the streets.
Nor does it grant interstate foot travel, interstate train travel, or interstate boat travel. So why are planes different?
Nor does it grant interstate foot travel, interstate train travel, or interstate boat travel. So why are planes different?
As to the difference between planes, trains and automobiles, it's a safe bet almost no one on a dock by Lake Pontchartrain arrived from Libya a few hours ago. YOU may not be traveling to or from an overseas destination, but a lot of the people you were rubbing shoulders with at Logan today were. The first time a train or boat is deliberately detonated en route, killing thousands, you'll likely see similar security levels for those means of travel, too.
The reason the new security measures aren't a civil liberties violation, however, is even more basic: If you tell TSA you won't submit to either a pat down OR backscatter machine, they can't legally force you--you just can't get on the plane. Whether in an airport terminal or on the sidewalk, if a cop tries to pat you down with neither a warrant nor probable cause, and you refuse, he's breaking the law if he does it anyway. Of course, my (personal and other) experience has been that, even on the street, if you assert your Fourth Amendment rights when a search is requested the cop will just provide some specious rationalized probable cause and do it anyway, so I'd say TSA is the least of your worries, citizen.
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Slightly better than chocolate.
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Please Don't Eat the Newbies!
LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
So, people travelling in the US tomorrow: are you opting out?
23/11/2010 10:45:03 PM
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How did the NYTimes phrase this again... oh yes.
23/11/2010 11:42:29 PM
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This article about "Isrealification" is interesting
24/11/2010 12:54:59 AM
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We have that saying here, too.
24/11/2010 01:50:03 AM
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Re: We have that saying here, too.
24/11/2010 02:05:09 AM
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a loaded gun clip was found left on a plane by an off-duty cop just today in fact....
24/11/2010 05:06:15 AM
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You're missing the point
24/11/2010 09:48:42 AM
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The thing about the gun just proves how good the behavioural profiling is.
25/11/2010 09:49:55 AM
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If all goes as they say it does, it sounds like a very good system *NM*
24/11/2010 04:23:42 AM
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No, US air traffic controllers don't go on strike.
24/11/2010 01:37:30 AM
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I've got no problem with the scanners, but people are welcome to object
24/11/2010 02:20:25 AM
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I see some sheep have replied to your post. *NM*
24/11/2010 03:17:00 AM
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I assume you are less than fond of the situation, then? *NM*
24/11/2010 03:25:45 AM
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You assume correctly.
24/11/2010 03:44:23 AM
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If grandmas aren't getting groped at the airport...
24/11/2010 04:38:50 AM
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just out of curiousity, do either you or litdog have any solutions?
24/11/2010 04:59:07 AM
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Stop adding useless and invasive procedures. *NM*
24/11/2010 05:19:23 AM
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yes that's all well and good.
24/11/2010 05:37:01 AM
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It would be the same as it was before this nonsense. EDITED
24/11/2010 06:18:57 AM
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if that's what your comfortable with, then. Fair enough *NM*
24/11/2010 06:22:46 AM
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Read my edit for what I think is a bit more balanced. *NM*
24/11/2010 06:29:11 AM
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Become the enemy and they win, but is this is really a Civil Rights issue?
24/11/2010 02:16:43 PM
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It doesn't grant interstate CAR travel either.
24/11/2010 04:29:30 PM
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Very simple:
24/11/2010 07:28:45 PM
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At least have the decency to refer to us as 'sheeple' *NM*
24/11/2010 03:39:47 AM
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You didn't seem to be among the sheep. *NM*
24/11/2010 03:45:06 AM
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i will make sure to pat my girlfriend down before we get in the car and start driving *NM*
24/11/2010 05:16:43 AM
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Only morons fly in the U.S. on Thanksgiving day. *NM*
24/11/2010 05:42:04 PM
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Here's a report on the scanners, that you might just want to get felt up.
24/11/2010 08:56:09 PM
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I'm half-tempted to engage in some frottage with the girlfriend while waiting in the pat-down line.
25/11/2010 03:43:47 AM
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