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Very simple: Joel Send a noteboard - 24/11/2010 07:28:45 PM
Yet somehow it's illegal for a police officer to pat you down on the streets.

Nor does it grant interstate foot travel, interstate train travel, or interstate boat travel. So why are planes different?

As to the difference between planes, trains and automobiles, it's a safe bet almost no one on a dock by Lake Pontchartrain arrived from Libya a few hours ago. YOU may not be traveling to or from an overseas destination, but a lot of the people you were rubbing shoulders with at Logan today were. The first time a train or boat is deliberately detonated en route, killing thousands, you'll likely see similar security levels for those means of travel, too.

The reason the new security measures aren't a civil liberties violation, however, is even more basic: If you tell TSA you won't submit to either a pat down OR backscatter machine, they can't legally force you--you just can't get on the plane. Whether in an airport terminal or on the sidewalk, if a cop tries to pat you down with neither a warrant nor probable cause, and you refuse, he's breaking the law if he does it anyway. Of course, my (personal and other) experience has been that, even on the street, if you assert your Fourth Amendment rights when a search is requested the cop will just provide some specious rationalized probable cause and do it anyway, so I'd say TSA is the least of your worries, citizen. ;)
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So, people travelling in the US tomorrow: are you opting out? - 23/11/2010 10:45:03 PM 917 Views
Meh. - 23/11/2010 11:23:17 PM 872 Views
How did the NYTimes phrase this again... oh yes. - 23/11/2010 11:42:29 PM 887 Views
This article about "Isrealification" is interesting - 24/11/2010 12:54:59 AM 943 Views
We have that saying here, too. - 24/11/2010 01:50:03 AM 862 Views
Re: We have that saying here, too. - 24/11/2010 02:05:09 AM 787 Views
a loaded gun clip was found left on a plane by an off-duty cop just today in fact.... - 24/11/2010 05:06:15 AM 689 Views
Yeah, but he was allowed to take his gun with him - 24/11/2010 05:22:05 AM 762 Views
Security is worse than before 911? - 24/11/2010 02:03:21 PM 741 Views
You're missing the point - 24/11/2010 09:48:42 AM 772 Views
No, I got the point, I'm just not sure it's that cut and dried. - 24/11/2010 01:41:40 PM 838 Views
Wrong spot. *NM* - 24/11/2010 02:00:05 PM 304 Views
The thing about the gun just proves how good the behavioural profiling is. - 25/11/2010 09:49:55 AM 581 Views
Good point. - 25/11/2010 02:08:57 PM 962 Views
If all goes as they say it does, it sounds like a very good system *NM* - 24/11/2010 04:23:42 AM 296 Views
supposedly the israel model "does not scale" - 24/11/2010 05:14:53 AM 869 Views
Which is pretty much what I figured. - 24/11/2010 01:56:24 PM 773 Views
Sounds about right *NM* - 24/11/2010 02:26:43 PM 244 Views
No, US air traffic controllers don't go on strike. - 24/11/2010 01:37:30 AM 799 Views
Re: No, US air traffic controllers don't go on strike. - 24/11/2010 01:48:30 PM 757 Views
The long term effects are unknown? - 24/11/2010 02:23:24 PM 661 Views
They should be prepared enough to do mass pat-downs - 24/11/2010 02:00:07 AM 560 Views
If I was travelling, I would not opt out. - 24/11/2010 12:32:06 AM 691 Views
I would - 24/11/2010 01:56:56 AM 740 Views
I've got no problem with the scanners, but people are welcome to object - 24/11/2010 02:20:25 AM 1005 Views
Nice idea, but . . . - 24/11/2010 05:38:11 PM 637 Views
I'm not sure, but its not a big obstacle - 24/11/2010 07:39:22 PM 748 Views
I see some sheep have replied to your post. *NM* - 24/11/2010 03:17:00 AM 262 Views
I assume you are less than fond of the situation, then? *NM* - 24/11/2010 03:25:45 AM 393 Views
You assume correctly. - 24/11/2010 03:44:23 AM 924 Views
Not saying this applies in reality... - 24/11/2010 04:25:25 AM 765 Views
If grandmas aren't getting groped at the airport... - 24/11/2010 04:38:50 AM 768 Views
just out of curiousity, do either you or litdog have any solutions? - 24/11/2010 04:59:07 AM 673 Views
Stop adding useless and invasive procedures. *NM* - 24/11/2010 05:19:23 AM 298 Views
yes that's all well and good. - 24/11/2010 05:37:01 AM 599 Views
It would be the same as it was before this nonsense. EDITED - 24/11/2010 06:18:57 AM 836 Views
if that's what your comfortable with, then. Fair enough *NM* - 24/11/2010 06:22:46 AM 270 Views
Read my edit for what I think is a bit more balanced. *NM* - 24/11/2010 06:29:11 AM 264 Views
read And yah, it sounds like you're a bit like me. - 24/11/2010 06:54:15 AM 706 Views
Re: read And yah, it sounds like you're a bit like me. - 24/11/2010 07:24:59 PM 699 Views
Become the enemy and they win, but is this is really a Civil Rights issue? - 24/11/2010 02:16:43 PM 874 Views
It doesn't grant interstate CAR travel either. - 24/11/2010 04:29:30 PM 599 Views
Very simple: - 24/11/2010 07:28:45 PM 841 Views
I fully support the protest, by the way. - 24/11/2010 03:45:43 AM 655 Views
I doubt it. - 24/11/2010 04:35:03 AM 884 Views
I'm considering doing it. - 24/11/2010 05:17:43 AM 536 Views
At least have the decency to refer to us as 'sheeple' *NM* - 24/11/2010 03:39:47 AM 260 Views
You didn't seem to be among the sheep. *NM* - 24/11/2010 03:45:06 AM 269 Views
Well, yeah. - 24/11/2010 03:51:03 AM 637 Views
Probably true! *NM* - 24/11/2010 03:51:53 AM 226 Views
Whiners - 24/11/2010 11:26:22 AM 729 Views
Well, I opted out. - 24/11/2010 02:00:49 PM 872 Views
in january im going for the pat down *NM* - 24/11/2010 05:17:32 PM 236 Views
Only morons fly in the U.S. on Thanksgiving day. *NM* - 24/11/2010 05:42:04 PM 354 Views
Very few people do. The day before Thanksgiving, however... - 24/11/2010 06:43:32 PM 598 Views
Of course. I mixed my days up. I apologize. - 26/11/2010 06:27:49 PM 729 Views
Re: Is it weird that I just want to be touched? - 24/11/2010 05:59:50 PM 682 Views
Ma'am, in your case, unless you "present as" male. *NM* - 24/11/2010 06:44:51 PM 309 Views
Here's a report on the scanners, that you might just want to get felt up. - 24/11/2010 08:56:09 PM 801 Views

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