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Who do you think would have ended up paying for his care for the rest of his life if the accident Tashmere Send a noteboard - 06/07/2011 01:08:49 AM
resulted in his becoming a vegetable? Do you really think that he would have been able to pay for it if he would have ended up in the hospital for months and rehab for months after that? Do you know how it effects the driver and passengers involved in an accident with a motorcycle? How it effects the witnesses? I am good with a helmet law.

If they can get insurance that would cover those possibilities then it is their business and their business only.
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You can't make this stuff up: Helmet law protester dies in crash Dark Knight - 05/07/2011 08:47:14 PM 1127 Views
Kinda undermines his protest *NM* snoopcester - 05/07/2011 09:01:50 PM 349 Views
Just a tad bit *NM* Dark Knight - 05/07/2011 09:06:24 PM 330 Views
How so? He wasn't demanding the right to survive crashes when only a helmet makes that possible. Joel - 05/07/2011 11:06:44 PM 764 Views
New York feels that people should have to wear helmets for their own safety snoopcester - 05/07/2011 11:20:36 PM 714 Views
He felt his own safety was his own concern. Joel - 06/07/2011 12:07:05 AM 656 Views
Who do you think would have ended up paying for his care for the rest of his life if the accident Tashmere - 06/07/2011 01:08:49 AM 827 Views
The same people who pay for everyone else whose actions render them vegetables. Joel - 06/07/2011 01:50:20 AM 942 Views
Maybe a more effective argument you could use against me would be pointing out Tashmere - 06/07/2011 02:33:21 AM 728 Views
Yeah, that is a better example. Joel - 06/07/2011 03:03:01 AM 694 Views
Oops, ignore! *NM* eucatastrophe - 06/07/2011 11:44:10 PM 414 Views
Now, who said irony wasn't funny? *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 05/07/2011 09:22:58 PM 467 Views
what a fricking idiot Yunalesca - 05/07/2011 10:02:17 PM 906 Views
That's your opinion to which you're entitled. Joel - 05/07/2011 11:19:36 PM 1164 Views
Anarchy, baby! *NM* Dark Knight - 06/07/2011 12:58:23 AM 576 Views
Sorry, as an advocate of civil rights (which especially includes minorities) I oppose anarchy. Joel - 06/07/2011 01:18:19 AM 823 Views
The public's nose is on the line here too. Tashmere - 06/07/2011 01:47:08 AM 886 Views
So my increased ease of hearing/seeing vehicles and other hazards isn't worth $1200. Joel - 06/07/2011 02:25:53 AM 885 Views
I understand the pov, I had a BF who felt that same way. It's still much like childish defiance. Avendesora - 06/07/2011 01:26:15 AM 1055 Views
In part it's a matter of principle, but if we really want to analyze it there's some deeper validity Joel - 06/07/2011 02:13:05 AM 854 Views
you keep spreading falsehoods, stop it please moondog - 06/07/2011 02:49:01 AM 1005 Views
Sounds like your real argument is with the other bikers; I'm just reiterating their arguments. Joel - 06/07/2011 03:38:39 AM 942 Views
It's not "much like" childish defiance. It IS. *NM* eucatastrophe - 06/07/2011 11:45:05 PM 528 Views
Uh Joel... ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 03:38:24 AM 764 Views
Agreed, having others in the car does make a difference. Joel - 06/07/2011 03:47:53 AM 826 Views
Hence why your "I wouldn't wear a seatbelt in the back seat" comment didn't make a lot of sense ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 07:38:50 PM 807 Views
Depends on whether the driver, rather than the law, is the one insisting. Joel - 06/07/2011 08:06:24 PM 678 Views
You'd place your own comfort over other people's safety? ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 11:37:00 PM 710 Views
It's more a comfort issue than anything else; it's not solely one. Joel - 06/07/2011 11:56:28 PM 1197 Views
Sorry, but that doesn't make sense ironclad - 06/07/2011 07:02:33 PM 963 Views
Yes it does ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 07:32:54 PM 726 Views
how many people are really seriously injured that way? random thoughts - 06/07/2011 07:15:16 PM 957 Views
Did you actually read my post? ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 07:36:13 PM 839 Views
my ex had 3 cracked ribs from an accident like that moondog - 07/07/2011 02:46:07 AM 866 Views
Re: That's your opinion to which you're entitled. Yunalesca - 06/07/2011 05:18:12 PM 916 Views
Re: That's your opinion to which you're entitled. Joel - 06/07/2011 06:13:44 PM 1002 Views
Hold the phone here... Jeordam - 06/07/2011 07:49:10 PM 1171 Views
+1 *NM* Yunalesca - 06/07/2011 08:42:14 PM 408 Views
You agree with him that the abortion debate is about a mothers convenience versus the babys life? Joel - 06/07/2011 10:48:52 PM 842 Views
im not bringing abortion into this, its a separate issue *NM* Yunalesca - 06/07/2011 10:56:17 PM 404 Views
It's really not. Joel - 07/07/2011 12:20:10 AM 855 Views
i'm really not Yunalesca - 07/07/2011 03:34:23 PM 954 Views
Fine as far as it goes, but public/private only matters to the extent others are affected. Joel - 09/07/2011 11:15:33 AM 908 Views
What else could the debate be about? Jeordam - 06/07/2011 10:58:51 PM 787 Views
"The babys life", not just "life". Joel - 07/07/2011 12:18:02 AM 1121 Views
Holding the phone here might be good, yes.... Joel - 06/07/2011 10:33:46 PM 924 Views
See...that's the difference between you and me Jeordam - 06/07/2011 10:56:53 PM 1036 Views
Apparently so; "completely anarchy as long as its regulated to one's body" sounds nonsensical to me. Joel - 06/07/2011 11:44:50 PM 1003 Views
I think I could make that up. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 05/07/2011 11:41:00 PM 367 Views
Smartass *NM* Dark Knight - 06/07/2011 12:57:22 AM 362 Views
I'm with Joel. I always buckle up/helmet up, but I think such laws are asinine beetnemesis - 06/07/2011 02:30:04 AM 683 Views
why not just ban motorcycles all together, they are much more dangerous than cars random thoughts - 06/07/2011 05:39:51 PM 708 Views
Helmets help save lives. 'Onest. Two Wongs - 07/07/2011 04:40:42 PM 886 Views
So do not smoking, eating right and regular exercise, but we haven't made them mandatory. Joel - 09/07/2011 11:04:58 AM 857 Views
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