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Who do you think would have ended up paying for his care for the rest of his life if the accident Tashmere Send a noteboard - 06/07/2011 01:08:49 AM
resulted in his becoming a vegetable? Do you really think that he would have been able to pay for it if he would have ended up in the hospital for months and rehab for months after that? Do you know how it effects the driver and passengers involved in an accident with a motorcycle? How it effects the witnesses? I am good with a helmet law.

If they can get insurance that would cover those possibilities then it is their business and their business only.
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You can't make this stuff up: Helmet law protester dies in crash Dark Knight - 05/07/2011 08:47:14 PM 1070 Views
Kinda undermines his protest *NM* snoopcester - 05/07/2011 09:01:50 PM 318 Views
Just a tad bit *NM* Dark Knight - 05/07/2011 09:06:24 PM 302 Views
How so? He wasn't demanding the right to survive crashes when only a helmet makes that possible. Joel - 05/07/2011 11:06:44 PM 702 Views
New York feels that people should have to wear helmets for their own safety snoopcester - 05/07/2011 11:20:36 PM 662 Views
He felt his own safety was his own concern. Joel - 06/07/2011 12:07:05 AM 598 Views
Who do you think would have ended up paying for his care for the rest of his life if the accident Tashmere - 06/07/2011 01:08:49 AM 755 Views
The same people who pay for everyone else whose actions render them vegetables. Joel - 06/07/2011 01:50:20 AM 876 Views
Maybe a more effective argument you could use against me would be pointing out Tashmere - 06/07/2011 02:33:21 AM 671 Views
Yeah, that is a better example. Joel - 06/07/2011 03:03:01 AM 638 Views
Oops, ignore! *NM* eucatastrophe - 06/07/2011 11:44:10 PM 382 Views
Now, who said irony wasn't funny? *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 05/07/2011 09:22:58 PM 439 Views
what a fricking idiot Yunalesca - 05/07/2011 10:02:17 PM 833 Views
That's your opinion to which you're entitled. Joel - 05/07/2011 11:19:36 PM 1094 Views
Anarchy, baby! *NM* Dark Knight - 06/07/2011 12:58:23 AM 543 Views
Sorry, as an advocate of civil rights (which especially includes minorities) I oppose anarchy. Joel - 06/07/2011 01:18:19 AM 755 Views
The public's nose is on the line here too. Tashmere - 06/07/2011 01:47:08 AM 818 Views
So my increased ease of hearing/seeing vehicles and other hazards isn't worth $1200. Joel - 06/07/2011 02:25:53 AM 828 Views
I understand the pov, I had a BF who felt that same way. It's still much like childish defiance. Avendesora - 06/07/2011 01:26:15 AM 995 Views
In part it's a matter of principle, but if we really want to analyze it there's some deeper validity Joel - 06/07/2011 02:13:05 AM 791 Views
you keep spreading falsehoods, stop it please moondog - 06/07/2011 02:49:01 AM 940 Views
Sounds like your real argument is with the other bikers; I'm just reiterating their arguments. Joel - 06/07/2011 03:38:39 AM 881 Views
It's not "much like" childish defiance. It IS. *NM* eucatastrophe - 06/07/2011 11:45:05 PM 493 Views
Uh Joel... ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 03:38:24 AM 704 Views
Agreed, having others in the car does make a difference. Joel - 06/07/2011 03:47:53 AM 776 Views
Hence why your "I wouldn't wear a seatbelt in the back seat" comment didn't make a lot of sense ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 07:38:50 PM 749 Views
Depends on whether the driver, rather than the law, is the one insisting. Joel - 06/07/2011 08:06:24 PM 616 Views
You'd place your own comfort over other people's safety? ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 11:37:00 PM 643 Views
It's more a comfort issue than anything else; it's not solely one. Joel - 06/07/2011 11:56:28 PM 1125 Views
Sorry, but that doesn't make sense ironclad - 06/07/2011 07:02:33 PM 899 Views
Yes it does ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 07:32:54 PM 651 Views
how many people are really seriously injured that way? random thoughts - 06/07/2011 07:15:16 PM 871 Views
Did you actually read my post? ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 07:36:13 PM 780 Views
my ex had 3 cracked ribs from an accident like that moondog - 07/07/2011 02:46:07 AM 804 Views
Re: That's your opinion to which you're entitled. Yunalesca - 06/07/2011 05:18:12 PM 860 Views
Re: That's your opinion to which you're entitled. Joel - 06/07/2011 06:13:44 PM 931 Views
Hold the phone here... Jeordam - 06/07/2011 07:49:10 PM 1092 Views
+1 *NM* Yunalesca - 06/07/2011 08:42:14 PM 382 Views
You agree with him that the abortion debate is about a mothers convenience versus the babys life? Joel - 06/07/2011 10:48:52 PM 781 Views
im not bringing abortion into this, its a separate issue *NM* Yunalesca - 06/07/2011 10:56:17 PM 374 Views
It's really not. Joel - 07/07/2011 12:20:10 AM 803 Views
i'm really not Yunalesca - 07/07/2011 03:34:23 PM 888 Views
Fine as far as it goes, but public/private only matters to the extent others are affected. Joel - 09/07/2011 11:15:33 AM 844 Views
What else could the debate be about? Jeordam - 06/07/2011 10:58:51 PM 724 Views
"The babys life", not just "life". Joel - 07/07/2011 12:18:02 AM 1053 Views
Holding the phone here might be good, yes.... Joel - 06/07/2011 10:33:46 PM 863 Views
See...that's the difference between you and me Jeordam - 06/07/2011 10:56:53 PM 958 Views
Apparently so; "completely anarchy as long as its regulated to one's body" sounds nonsensical to me. Joel - 06/07/2011 11:44:50 PM 940 Views
I think I could make that up. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 05/07/2011 11:41:00 PM 326 Views
Smartass *NM* Dark Knight - 06/07/2011 12:57:22 AM 326 Views
I'm with Joel. I always buckle up/helmet up, but I think such laws are asinine beetnemesis - 06/07/2011 02:30:04 AM 616 Views
why not just ban motorcycles all together, they are much more dangerous than cars random thoughts - 06/07/2011 05:39:51 PM 644 Views
Helmets help save lives. 'Onest. Two Wongs - 07/07/2011 04:40:42 PM 818 Views
So do not smoking, eating right and regular exercise, but we haven't made them mandatory. Joel - 09/07/2011 11:04:58 AM 798 Views
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