While I agree with you completely about nanny state laws, your logic about not wearing seatbelts doesn't completely hold up. If you're in an accident and not wearing a seatbelt, you can severely injure or even kill the other passengers in the car when your unbelted body goes flying around the cab at high speeds.
That said, I still agree with you that it should be your choice, not the government's, but you should at least know that your decision not to wear a seatbelt does place more lives at risk than your own, and factor that knowledge into your decision.
As far as I am concerned, people's freedom can go to hell as soon as their freedom or carelessness threaten others. As you explained in your first paragraph, that's the case when an unbelted person catapults through the car. The conclusion: make them do it by law. Admitting it's dangerous but leaving it to each on their own if they want to threaten their children or not takes the personal freedom a little too much for my taste
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You can't make this stuff up: Helmet law protester dies in crash
- 05/07/2011 08:47:14 PM
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Kinda undermines his protest
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- 05/07/2011 09:01:50 PM
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- 05/07/2011 09:01:50 PM
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How so? He wasn't demanding the right to survive crashes when only a helmet makes that possible.
- 05/07/2011 11:06:44 PM
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New York feels that people should have to wear helmets for their own safety
- 05/07/2011 11:20:36 PM
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He felt his own safety was his own concern.
- 06/07/2011 12:07:05 AM
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Who do you think would have ended up paying for his care for the rest of his life if the accident
- 06/07/2011 01:08:49 AM
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The same people who pay for everyone else whose actions render them vegetables.
- 06/07/2011 01:50:20 AM
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Maybe a more effective argument you could use against me would be pointing out
- 06/07/2011 02:33:21 AM
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what a fricking idiot
- 05/07/2011 10:02:17 PM
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That's your opinion to which you're entitled.
- 05/07/2011 11:19:36 PM
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Anarchy, baby! *NM*
- 06/07/2011 12:58:23 AM
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Sorry, as an advocate of civil rights (which especially includes minorities) I oppose anarchy.
- 06/07/2011 01:18:19 AM
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The public's nose is on the line here too.
- 06/07/2011 01:47:08 AM
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So my increased ease of hearing/seeing vehicles and other hazards isn't worth $1200.
- 06/07/2011 02:25:53 AM
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I understand the pov, I had a BF who felt that same way. It's still much like childish defiance.
- 06/07/2011 01:26:15 AM
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In part it's a matter of principle, but if we really want to analyze it there's some deeper validity
- 06/07/2011 02:13:05 AM
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you keep spreading falsehoods, stop it please
- 06/07/2011 02:49:01 AM
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Sounds like your real argument is with the other bikers; I'm just reiterating their arguments.
- 06/07/2011 03:38:39 AM
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Uh Joel...
- 06/07/2011 03:38:24 AM
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Agreed, having others in the car does make a difference.
- 06/07/2011 03:47:53 AM
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Hence why your "I wouldn't wear a seatbelt in the back seat" comment didn't make a lot of sense
- 06/07/2011 07:38:50 PM
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- 06/07/2011 07:38:50 PM
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Depends on whether the driver, rather than the law, is the one insisting.
- 06/07/2011 08:06:24 PM
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You'd place your own comfort over other people's safety?
- 06/07/2011 11:37:00 PM
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It's more a comfort issue than anything else; it's not solely one.
- 06/07/2011 11:56:28 PM
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Sorry, but that doesn't make sense
- 06/07/2011 07:02:33 PM
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Hold the phone here...
- 06/07/2011 07:49:10 PM
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+1 *NM*
- 06/07/2011 08:42:14 PM
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You agree with him that the abortion debate is about a mothers convenience versus the babys life?
- 06/07/2011 10:48:52 PM
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im not bringing abortion into this, its a separate issue *NM*
- 06/07/2011 10:56:17 PM
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It's really not.
- 07/07/2011 12:20:10 AM
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i'm really not
- 07/07/2011 03:34:23 PM
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Fine as far as it goes, but public/private only matters to the extent others are affected.
- 09/07/2011 11:15:33 AM
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Holding the phone here might be good, yes....
- 06/07/2011 10:33:46 PM
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- 06/07/2011 10:33:46 PM
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See...that's the difference between you and me
- 06/07/2011 10:56:53 PM
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Apparently so; "completely anarchy as long as its regulated to one's body" sounds nonsensical to me.
- 06/07/2011 11:44:50 PM
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I'm with Joel. I always buckle up/helmet up, but I think such laws are asinine
- 06/07/2011 02:30:04 AM
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why not just ban motorcycles all together, they are much more dangerous than cars
- 06/07/2011 05:39:51 PM
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Helmets help save lives. 'Onest.
- 07/07/2011 04:40:42 PM
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So do not smoking, eating right and regular exercise, but we haven't made them mandatory.
- 09/07/2011 11:04:58 AM
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