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Better... Bramhodoulos Send a noteboard - 06/08/2011 06:36:38 PM
Animals with traits that are beneficial to the environment can live longer and potentially contribute more to the gene pool.

The latter is all that matters (biological fitness, or how many viable offspring are produced) in natural selection. Lifespan and any greater purpose (benefit to the environment) are not applicable.


As I see your revision it seems you are more careful in describing NS, but does your view on NS escape being a tautology?
Since contributing to the gene pool is the only definition you give, it either has no result (the author calls that a 'lame' definition, since it isolates the proces of NS so that it no longer tries to explain evolution), or the result is a difference in the gene pool (that is: a difference in the frequencies of genes) after one or several generations, and then we have a tautology again.
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Natural selection Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 03:51:26 PM 1085 Views
selection for suitability LadyLorraine - 06/08/2011 04:18:51 PM 731 Views
Thanks for your responce Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 04:41:20 PM 846 Views
I can't speak for LadyLorraine and won't try, but here's how I see it: Joel - 06/08/2011 06:49:49 PM 793 Views
Just a question Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 07:18:09 PM 773 Views
Yes it can ßelals Girl - 06/08/2011 07:41:59 PM 654 Views
But how? Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 07:52:10 PM 848 Views
Okay, I think I see what you're saying ßelals Girl - 08/08/2011 05:30:43 PM 665 Views
Close Bramhodoulos - 08/08/2011 05:41:46 PM 864 Views
Re: Just a question Joel - 06/08/2011 07:49:21 PM 870 Views
I'm not sure I understand you Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 08:20:44 PM 772 Views
All tautologies are truisms, but not all truisms are tautologies. Joel - 06/08/2011 09:38:12 PM 793 Views
Then it is still a tautology Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 09:45:33 PM 801 Views
You can know it's beneifical to a particular individual, but it's harder to say for populations. Joel - 06/08/2011 10:18:16 PM 904 Views
Maybe... Bramhodoulos - 07/08/2011 01:55:54 PM 758 Views
I'm more inclined toward his logic, but possibly toward your conclusions. Joel - 09/08/2011 12:45:46 AM 839 Views
we can't really know ahead of time what makes a specific trait benefical in that environment LadyLorraine - 09/08/2011 06:16:02 PM 898 Views
As I understand it Praziquantel - 06/08/2011 06:04:44 PM 724 Views
Better... Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 06:36:38 PM 704 Views
Actually Praziquantel - 06/08/2011 10:13:51 PM 793 Views
Re: Actually Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 10:37:33 PM 933 Views
Re: Actually Praziquantel - 06/08/2011 11:38:52 PM 859 Views
Oeh Bramhodoulos - 07/08/2011 01:54:19 PM 710 Views
Did you perhaps mean "beneficial in the environment" rather than "beneficial to the environment"? Joel - 06/08/2011 06:34:44 PM 828 Views
yes. I did not really phrase that very clearly. *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/08/2011 06:14:11 PM 333 Views
No biggy; from what Bram said, I underestimated how well you were understood anyway. Joel - 09/08/2011 06:45:16 PM 774 Views
Hmmm... there's some truth to that Isaac - 06/08/2011 06:36:35 PM 805 Views
Re: Hmmm... there's some truth to that Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 07:08:25 PM 805 Views
Re: Hmmm... there's some truth to that Isaac - 07/08/2011 12:46:23 AM 799 Views
The complexity of the problem makes it all but impossible to falsify... jh - 06/08/2011 08:26:06 PM 827 Views
The questions go deeper Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 08:38:31 PM 818 Views
Re: The questions go deeper jh - 06/08/2011 09:10:32 PM 808 Views
I think I know why you don't understand my question. Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 09:38:41 PM 830 Views
How many equation's has Moraine screwed up? *NM* Isaac - 06/08/2011 09:45:36 PM 342 Views
100% I think Moriaine is a very beneficial trait that contributes a lot to the RAFO pool *NM* Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 09:46:54 PM 364 Views
TalkOrigins addresses this at length. Dreaded Anomaly - 06/08/2011 11:14:52 PM 882 Views
Not very much, but interesting none the less Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 11:38:36 PM 879 Views
Re: Natural selection Night Walker - 07/08/2011 03:00:30 AM 803 Views
Thanks a lot Bramhodoulos - 07/08/2011 01:38:39 PM 947 Views
2 things Night Walker - 07/08/2011 04:00:35 PM 710 Views
Re: 2 things Bramhodoulos - 07/08/2011 04:33:00 PM 927 Views
Re: 2 things Night Walker - 07/08/2011 05:48:26 PM 741 Views
My best guess Bramhodoulos - 07/08/2011 06:00:28 PM 777 Views
Re: My best guess Night Walker - 07/08/2011 06:37:58 PM 715 Views
Re: My best guess Bramhodoulos - 07/08/2011 06:47:26 PM 874 Views
Re: My best guess Night Walker - 07/08/2011 07:02:27 PM 718 Views
Re: My best guess Bramhodoulos - 07/08/2011 09:09:57 PM 827 Views
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