A benefit TO the environment seems like going too far, because that statement itself is an entry into the philosophical, but an increased survival rate is a metric for benefits IN the environment: The greater survival of organisms with a certain trait in a certain environment over that of organisms without it suggests a natural, mechanical and non-directed selection for such traits generally. Without guidance, traits that help an organism in a given environment come to predominate over those that either don't help or even harm organisms, because organisms with helpful traits live longer and breed more than others. The scientific test of the theory is whether we can observe the results it predicts over time: If we do, that's evidence the theory is valid; if not, that's counterevidence (bearing in mind, as always, that evidence does not necessarily reach the level of conclusive proof).
That's just one laymans limited understanding though, so take it for what it's worth; there's a reason I didn't leap up to give my opinion.
That's just one laymans limited understanding though, so take it for what it's worth; there's a reason I didn't leap up to give my opinion.

I think I understood the TO/IN in the way you explain it and your explanation sort of agrees with what LadyLorriane tried to say.
The tautology problem does not go away with your way of explaining it though, since you don't tell us how we "know" what individuals will be selected, before they are selected. Yes, taking in mind that we are dealing with probability, rather than with absolute numbers.
If a new individual is born, even when given all the possible information about it's DNA and it's environment, (and given that this individual does not have an obvious and gigantic disability), how would you determine it's "benefit in the environment" or it's "chances to procreate" before it actually happens? My point is that you can only measure that afterwards and if it can only be measured afterwards, it cannot be predicted or tested.
Natural selection
- 06/08/2011 03:51:26 PM
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selection for suitability
- 06/08/2011 04:18:51 PM
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Thanks for your responce
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I can't speak for LadyLorraine and won't try, but here's how I see it:
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Just a question
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Yes it can
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But how?
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Re: Just a question
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I'm not sure I understand you
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All tautologies are truisms, but not all truisms are tautologies.
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Then it is still a tautology
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You can know it's beneifical to a particular individual, but it's harder to say for populations.
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Maybe...
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I'm more inclined toward his logic, but possibly toward your conclusions.
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we can't really know ahead of time what makes a specific trait benefical in that environment
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As I understand it
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Better...
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Did you perhaps mean "beneficial in the environment" rather than "beneficial to the environment"?
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yes. I did not really phrase that very clearly. *NM*
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No biggy; from what Bram said, I underestimated how well you were understood anyway.
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Hmmm... there's some truth to that
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The complexity of the problem makes it all but impossible to falsify...
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The questions go deeper
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Re: The questions go deeper
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I think I know why you don't understand my question.
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How many equation's has Moraine screwed up?
*NM*
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*NM*
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100% I think Moriaine is a very beneficial trait that contributes a lot to the RAFO pool
*NM*
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*NM*
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Re: Natural selection
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Thanks a lot
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2 things
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Re: 2 things
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Re: 2 things
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My best guess
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Re: My best guess
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Re: My best guess
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