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Better... Bramhodoulos Send a noteboard - 06/08/2011 06:36:38 PM
Animals with traits that are beneficial to the environment can live longer and potentially contribute more to the gene pool.

The latter is all that matters (biological fitness, or how many viable offspring are produced) in natural selection. Lifespan and any greater purpose (benefit to the environment) are not applicable.


As I see your revision it seems you are more careful in describing NS, but does your view on NS escape being a tautology?
Since contributing to the gene pool is the only definition you give, it either has no result (the author calls that a 'lame' definition, since it isolates the proces of NS so that it no longer tries to explain evolution), or the result is a difference in the gene pool (that is: a difference in the frequencies of genes) after one or several generations, and then we have a tautology again.
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Natural selection Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 03:51:26 PM 1298 Views
selection for suitability LadyLorraine - 06/08/2011 04:18:51 PM 938 Views
Thanks for your responce Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 04:41:20 PM 1061 Views
I can't speak for LadyLorraine and won't try, but here's how I see it: Joel - 06/08/2011 06:49:49 PM 1021 Views
Just a question Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 07:18:09 PM 1024 Views
Yes it can ßelals Girl - 06/08/2011 07:41:59 PM 867 Views
But how? Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 07:52:10 PM 1083 Views
Okay, I think I see what you're saying ßelals Girl - 08/08/2011 05:30:43 PM 874 Views
Close Bramhodoulos - 08/08/2011 05:41:46 PM 1120 Views
Re: Just a question Joel - 06/08/2011 07:49:21 PM 1108 Views
I'm not sure I understand you Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 08:20:44 PM 1016 Views
All tautologies are truisms, but not all truisms are tautologies. Joel - 06/08/2011 09:38:12 PM 1046 Views
Then it is still a tautology Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 09:45:33 PM 1077 Views
You can know it's beneifical to a particular individual, but it's harder to say for populations. Joel - 06/08/2011 10:18:16 PM 1121 Views
Maybe... Bramhodoulos - 07/08/2011 01:55:54 PM 991 Views
I'm more inclined toward his logic, but possibly toward your conclusions. Joel - 09/08/2011 12:45:46 AM 1063 Views
we can't really know ahead of time what makes a specific trait benefical in that environment LadyLorraine - 09/08/2011 06:16:02 PM 1102 Views
As I understand it Praziquantel - 06/08/2011 06:04:44 PM 941 Views
Better... Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 06:36:38 PM 930 Views
Actually Praziquantel - 06/08/2011 10:13:51 PM 1050 Views
Re: Actually Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 10:37:33 PM 1192 Views
Re: Actually Praziquantel - 06/08/2011 11:38:52 PM 1100 Views
Oeh Bramhodoulos - 07/08/2011 01:54:19 PM 933 Views
Did you perhaps mean "beneficial in the environment" rather than "beneficial to the environment"? Joel - 06/08/2011 06:34:44 PM 1050 Views
yes. I did not really phrase that very clearly. *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/08/2011 06:14:11 PM 431 Views
No biggy; from what Bram said, I underestimated how well you were understood anyway. Joel - 09/08/2011 06:45:16 PM 976 Views
Hmmm... there's some truth to that Isaac - 06/08/2011 06:36:35 PM 1037 Views
Re: Hmmm... there's some truth to that Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 07:08:25 PM 1032 Views
Re: Hmmm... there's some truth to that Isaac - 07/08/2011 12:46:23 AM 1004 Views
The complexity of the problem makes it all but impossible to falsify... jh - 06/08/2011 08:26:06 PM 1029 Views
The questions go deeper Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 08:38:31 PM 1066 Views
Re: The questions go deeper jh - 06/08/2011 09:10:32 PM 1040 Views
I think I know why you don't understand my question. Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 09:38:41 PM 1074 Views
How many equation's has Moraine screwed up? *NM* Isaac - 06/08/2011 09:45:36 PM 443 Views
100% I think Moriaine is a very beneficial trait that contributes a lot to the RAFO pool *NM* Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 09:46:54 PM 477 Views
TalkOrigins addresses this at length. Dreaded Anomaly - 06/08/2011 11:14:52 PM 1108 Views
Not very much, but interesting none the less Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 11:38:36 PM 1115 Views
Re: Natural selection Night Walker - 07/08/2011 03:00:30 AM 1040 Views
Thanks a lot Bramhodoulos - 07/08/2011 01:38:39 PM 1164 Views
2 things Night Walker - 07/08/2011 04:00:35 PM 918 Views
Re: 2 things Bramhodoulos - 07/08/2011 04:33:00 PM 1138 Views
Re: 2 things Night Walker - 07/08/2011 05:48:26 PM 966 Views
My best guess Bramhodoulos - 07/08/2011 06:00:28 PM 1037 Views
Re: My best guess Night Walker - 07/08/2011 06:37:58 PM 935 Views
Re: My best guess Bramhodoulos - 07/08/2011 06:47:26 PM 1089 Views
Re: My best guess Night Walker - 07/08/2011 07:02:27 PM 973 Views
Re: My best guess Bramhodoulos - 07/08/2011 09:09:57 PM 1066 Views
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