That's what Perry and Bachmann are, remember? It's hard to buy the argument that leading candidates for a partys presidential nomination are just an atypical fringe minority. Regardless, you can't just say, "they did it first!" then refuse to provide any examples; that makes it an empty charge (not that two wrongs make a right in the first place). Again, I'm not really looking to parse and debate the examples, because I'm convinced both parties are indistinguishable except for marketing, I'd just like to see an example to at least TRY proving the charge, and the burden of proof is on the accuser.