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By his own statements he either wants to end it or violate the Constitution. Joel Send a noteboard - 19/10/2011 12:13:33 AM
I believe in limited government but I also believe that there should be safety nets for the most vulnerable. I don't think we should starve senior citizens simply because they were forced into a retirement system that violated the Tenth Amendment. They paid into the system in good faith and they need to be taken care of. But we do need to work towards bring the system under the constitution. That means the system either needs to be modified or the Constitution needs to be amended. We have the lion by the tail and letting go isn't really an option but moving to state managed or personal savings accounts make sense. I know i would prefer something like that for my five year old daughter over the plan to make her work until she 70 so her grandparents can retire at 64. Kind of a piss poor deal for her.

Loss of state sovereignty has been a growing problem in this country for decades now and I support removing as many powers from the federal government as possible and retuning them to the states. The Constitution isn't the bible and founding father were not prophets of God but they got a lot of things right and avoidance of centralized power was one of those things.

Either way you statement the Perry wants to abolish SS is bullshit. If you were to argue that his position of continuing SS while believing it to be unconstitutional is irrational then you are welcome to your opinion but you are not welcome to your own facts.

Throwing back the Moynihan quote I have so often cited to you does not "prove" anything other than that I resisted the strong temptation to cite it again this time. As for whether Social Security actually IS unconstitutional, you will have to take that up with the SCOTUS who ruled that it is not.
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So I am curious. What do our site conservatives think of Cain? - 18/10/2011 09:35:47 AM 1021 Views
You'd probably be better off asking after tomorrow's debate - 18/10/2011 10:19:50 AM 834 Views
He wasn't Abel ^_^ *NM* - 18/10/2011 01:24:57 PM 259 Views
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! *NM* - 18/10/2011 06:44:55 PM 256 Views
I have trouble taking him seriously - 18/10/2011 01:59:23 PM 708 Views
That is the problem with all Romneys opponents. - 18/10/2011 03:32:50 PM 713 Views
what positions of Perry's do you consider radical? - 18/10/2011 03:56:30 PM 606 Views
Well, abolishing Social Security is pretty far out there, and publicly threatening the Fed Chairman. - 18/10/2011 04:50:03 PM 817 Views
yes but I was talkin about his actuall posistions not the made up stuff *NM* - 18/10/2011 05:10:47 PM 335 Views
When the candidate "makes them up" they are positions. - 18/10/2011 05:26:18 PM 624 Views
all you need to do is provide a link supporting your claim that Perry said he wants to abolish SS - 18/10/2011 05:56:23 PM 560 Views
Really? Do you not watch the news? That's common knowledge *NM* - 18/10/2011 06:04:06 PM 249 Views
Really give me link *NM* - 18/10/2011 06:38:24 PM 252 Views
It is ridiculously simple; here ya go: - 18/10/2011 08:15:24 PM 667 Views
OK he doesn't like it now give me the link where he wants to abolish it - 18/10/2011 09:29:38 PM 598 Views
You see no conflict between this post and your next one? - 18/10/2011 10:16:21 PM 750 Views
no I don't - 18/10/2011 11:36:38 PM 680 Views
By his own statements he either wants to end it or violate the Constitution. - 19/10/2011 12:13:33 AM 650 Views
you really excell at misunderstanding *NM* - 19/10/2011 12:30:32 AM 273 Views
and Perry is right about SS being unconstitutional - 18/10/2011 09:44:14 PM 581 Views
And you criticize MY choice of "unbiased" sources.... - 18/10/2011 10:33:56 PM 744 Views
I'm not a conservative, but - 18/10/2011 04:56:22 PM 645 Views
*hi5* *NM* - 18/10/2011 05:05:19 PM 261 Views
Imagine there is no pizza *NM* - 19/10/2011 12:02:36 AM 272 Views
Cain is the anti-christ? *NM* - 19/10/2011 12:18:21 AM 230 Views
Post-debate, my opinion is fairly unchanged - 19/10/2011 06:35:32 AM 809 Views
Romney slapped Perry down so hard tonight. It was wonderful. - 19/10/2011 06:53:52 AM 695 Views
It was that, I rather enjoyed it - 19/10/2011 07:10:49 AM 643 Views
I promise - 19/10/2011 10:33:49 AM 736 Views
I can see the buttons now: "Vote for... something... maybe...!" - 20/10/2011 10:46:44 AM 1074 Views
...the words made sense by themselves, but when I put them together, meaning vanished. - 20/10/2011 11:33:46 AM 613 Views
Try sounding out each word. - 20/10/2011 11:59:25 AM 683 Views
let me ask you this about Cain - 19/10/2011 01:47:36 PM 732 Views
Why is that, would you think? - 19/10/2011 06:29:53 PM 669 Views
There just seems to be strong lack of good choices - 19/10/2011 06:50:25 PM 715 Views
I'm getting the same impression... not necessarily worse candidates, just more criticism. - 19/10/2011 08:37:21 PM 847 Views
I blame the press - 19/10/2011 09:05:36 PM 816 Views
Amen to that. I agree with everything you say. - 19/10/2011 09:49:45 PM 736 Views
I blame the public, and, to a lesser degree, Nielsen and Armitron. - 20/10/2011 11:39:43 AM 727 Views
tl;dr *NM* - 20/10/2011 12:19:03 PM 257 Views
Still prefer "TL;DV." - 20/10/2011 12:33:41 PM 749 Views
Re: There just seems to be strong lack of good choices - 20/10/2011 03:25:20 PM 955 Views
don't get me wrong I am not calling for a moderate - 20/10/2011 04:02:01 PM 865 Views
Re: let me ask you this about Cain - 20/10/2011 07:05:43 AM 659 Views

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