that then you have no right to a military, roads, bridges, postal service, dikes, dams, fuel reserves, currency, etc. etc....
So how DID we have a military before 1913? I guess we didn't win the Civil War, or the Mexican War, or the Spanish-American War... that will be news to all that territory we conquered, without an income tax. All a post-income tax military has provided has been a bunch of draws & stalemates in foreign wars with no real benefit to the country, with civil rights violations like conscription accompanying them. And what would we do without dikes AND dams! You also forgot levees. If you're going to inflate your list, do it right. We also managed roads and a postal service long before income tax, and we had a better currency. Since 1913, the value of the dollar has dropped to 5% of its value before the income tax was legalized. no wait, and now you're going to tell me that you can get that with sales taxes and property taxes? Wait, those are just other ways that tax a far higher portion of lower/mid income peoples' income as opposed to higher income folks.
Yeah, pretty much, because with those, you have the option to not do the taxed things. Sure, sure you say... it's only on what people consume or need to live. Great... as soon as people can just stop paying for stuff, that'll be the life. Hey, people just don't have the right make me pay MY MONEY for stuff. I should get to keep ALL MY MONEY and people should just give me the stuff I want. Yeah.
Enjoy your little subsistence farm out on an island somewhere outside the purview of the USA. We'd write, but it'll just take a long time for that bottle to float all the way out there.
Enjoy your little subsistence farm out on an island somewhere outside the purview of the USA. We'd write, but it'll just take a long time for that bottle to float all the way out there.
And way to make a false assumption - that government should be providing any of that stuff, or that government is needed to provide any of that stuff. Giving the government money to fill the trough is the problem, as I said in the original post. For certain the tax dollars spent on education have failed to teach you reading comprehension.
Cannoli
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"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Deus Vult!
Why Joel is CRAZY - Nearly Half of All Americans Don't Pay Federal Income Taxes
- 23/02/2012 04:43:15 AM
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Income taxes are not the only kind of taxes. 86% of Americans pay payroll or income tax.
- 23/02/2012 09:51:50 PM
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A not so hypothetical situation...
- 23/02/2012 05:46:44 AM
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Your paying more money now than then. Lower rate but more money *NM*
- 23/02/2012 07:52:51 AM
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Why the heck do you think the current tax system is skewed to the rich?
- 23/02/2012 03:18:43 PM
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Once again, poor people have no money with which to pay taxes.
- 23/02/2012 06:23:07 AM
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50% of America is not "poor" or too poor to pay federal income taxes.....
- 23/02/2012 01:01:24 PM
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You base that statement on what, exactly? Fervent desire that it be true?
- 25/02/2012 12:43:30 AM
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2009 (the year cited for this claim) was an outlier because of temporary tax cuts and the economy.
- 25/02/2012 01:14:01 AM
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Interesting, but lacking the data I consider critical; FICA etc. should not be counted, IMHO.
- 25/02/2012 02:10:45 AM
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It's a phrasing thing, permits more bullshit
- 25/02/2012 04:41:06 AM
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Maybe I am just playing the same game,but I find stats from "the other side" compelling in some ways
- 25/02/2012 10:36:40 AM
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You're operating under the same fallacy he does - that people should pay income taxes.
- 23/02/2012 12:05:52 PM
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In much the same way
- 23/02/2012 01:40:58 PM
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Same argument re: fallacies
- 24/02/2012 02:52:17 PM
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Joel is crazy, but I highly doubt that this is "why"
- 23/02/2012 01:36:37 PM
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I see your point, but not how it changes much in the conversation where we discussed that
- 25/02/2012 01:49:29 AM
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You mention this statistic all the time.
- 23/02/2012 02:16:47 PM
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Obviously, we are talking about the bottom 50%.....
- 23/02/2012 03:22:43 PM
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I wonder how much of that statistic is students
- 23/02/2012 02:22:58 PM
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The number "paying taxes" should include dependents of those paying
- 23/02/2012 02:39:21 PM
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yah I read the link, but apparently I just didn't understand their explanation.
- 23/02/2012 05:40:54 PM
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Federal taxes
- 23/02/2012 04:18:22 PM
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Your figures are fairly unrealistic
- 23/02/2012 04:54:44 PM
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Not entirely.
- 23/02/2012 06:30:18 PM
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Yeah I don't normally assume NY as a baseline
- 23/02/2012 06:41:37 PM
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- 23/02/2012 06:41:37 PM
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It probably isn't. We even tax delivery fees, gardening services and other things with sales tax.
- 25/02/2012 07:03:46 PM
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We don't tax transport of property either
- 25/02/2012 08:16:53 PM
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- 25/02/2012 08:16:53 PM
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Places usually get around it with free delivery. A tax on a $0 item is still $0. *NM*
- 25/02/2012 09:12:22 PM
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Income taxes are not the only kind of taxes. 86% of Americans pay payroll or income tax.
- 23/02/2012 09:51:50 PM
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And give the riff raff a reason to become involved in politics? Are you daft? *NM*
- 24/02/2012 05:04:51 AM
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25% of america is under 18, that means ~25% of the rest are not working or paid very little
- 25/02/2012 08:17:52 PM
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