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So.
George Galloway, British left wing politician and general arse -

The Respect MP then suggested one of the women had claimed she invited Mr Assange back to her flat, had consensual sex with him and then "woke up to him having sex with her again - something which can happen, you know".

"Some people believe that when you go to bed with somebody, take off your clothes, and have sex with them and then fall asleep, you're already in the sex game with them," he continued.

"It might be really bad manners not to have tapped her on the shoulder and said, 'do you mind if I do it again?'
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"It might be really sordid and bad sexual etiquette, but whatever else it is, it is not rape or you bankrupt the term rape of all meaning."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/9490122/George-Galloway-Julian-Assange-rape-allegations-nothing-but-bad-sexual-etiquette.html

Is there a point at which consent is assumed to have elapsed then, or does the woman (or man) have to formerly state it?

Todd Atkin, American right wing politician -

"Well you know, people always want to try to make that as one of those things, well how do you, how do you slice this particularly tough sort of ethical question. First of all, from what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work or something. I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child"

http://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2012/08/19/republican-senate-nominee-todd-akin-victims-of-legitimate-rape-dont-get-pregnant/

(some context on Atkin's use of "legitimate rape" might be that previously he only supported abortion in the case of "forcible rape", in a bill co-authored with Ryan)

Hard to know which one is stupider... though the bright side for Galloway is that it might be better to be remembered as the guy who made the stupid comment about rape rather than the one who sucked up to Saddam. Maybe.
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Rape - British left wing politician takes on American right wing politician in stupidest comment off - 22/08/2012 11:03:50 PM 1081 Views
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People who support abortion only for rape are the most retarded in the whole debate - 23/08/2012 01:05:17 AM 618 Views
Bullshit - 23/08/2012 05:01:24 AM 522 Views
That's an interesting variation with some legitimacy, though not compelling, to me anyway - 23/08/2012 07:25:50 AM 545 Views
That is a dangerous line of logic. - 23/08/2012 09:26:25 PM 786 Views
Okay, that really wasn't connected to my comments - 24/08/2012 02:39:21 AM 479 Views
Sure it was, but we can do it your way. - 24/08/2012 04:10:37 AM 545 Views
Yet you don't, you jump the gun here too - 24/08/2012 04:37:02 AM 557 Views
I was trying to cut to the chase; like I say, I followed your logic: I just disliked where it led. - 24/08/2012 06:10:40 AM 637 Views
Disliking the conclusion doesn't invalidate the logic, and stop veering out of the debate boundary - 24/08/2012 06:43:43 AM 590 Views
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I'm not even sure what that means - 25/08/2012 12:38:56 AM 483 Views
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Okay, we're done here - 26/08/2012 05:36:28 AM 518 Views
Quotes are not my opinion. - 26/08/2012 06:37:19 AM 491 Views
You'd really benefit from post-secondary education. - 26/08/2012 12:14:02 PM 584 Views
Haven't you and Joel had about the same amount of post-secondary education, actually? - 27/08/2012 01:31:43 AM 613 Views
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Is that the emoticon for perky titties? *NM* - 27/08/2012 11:07:06 PM 260 Views
He is an absolute berk. *NM* - 23/08/2012 01:08:58 AM 465 Views
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Really? *NM* - 23/08/2012 06:33:46 AM 340 Views
Yeah. - 23/08/2012 06:40:05 AM 547 Views
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I said Akins comments needed MORE context. - 23/08/2012 08:50:09 PM 678 Views
Yes, I saw that. - 23/08/2012 10:28:50 PM 493 Views
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Okay. I misunderstood. Sorry. *NM* - 23/08/2012 09:58:20 PM 309 Views
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Why? - 23/08/2012 08:51:59 PM 562 Views
See your reply here - the bit before the comma then the bit after it. - 23/08/2012 09:06:20 PM 555 Views
You can see where there's room for doubt in that though, surely. - 23/08/2012 09:20:19 PM 522 Views
I accept there are exceptions under some circumstances - but they are exceptions, not the rule. - 23/08/2012 09:44:36 PM 539 Views
Well, I have to clarify... - 23/08/2012 10:28:13 PM 507 Views
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couple things - 24/08/2012 01:57:04 AM 484 Views
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You may be talking about Galloway and not Assange, but Galloway was talking about Assange. - 24/08/2012 06:28:00 PM 496 Views
Ew. - 24/08/2012 06:56:27 PM 531 Views
Yes, that about covers it. - 24/08/2012 07:42:13 PM 504 Views
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To start again then Joel - 23/08/2012 11:14:07 PM 490 Views
My mistake then, sorry. - 23/08/2012 11:32:34 PM 522 Views
Agreeing without agreeing. - 23/08/2012 12:24:10 PM 582 Views
I have gotten used to you being right for the wrong reasons. - 23/08/2012 07:42:32 PM 497 Views
Yes - 23/08/2012 06:34:38 AM 652 Views
Indeed - 23/08/2012 08:47:40 PM 478 Views
I don't know about Galloway but Akin is being made to pay for his commnets - 23/08/2012 04:37:12 PM 575 Views
Um, I'm not sure about that last bit - 23/08/2012 10:43:15 PM 495 Views
this issue has been discussed none stop for two days and this almost never mentioned - 24/08/2012 12:28:25 PM 496 Views
well, that is where I'm confused. - 24/08/2012 07:03:16 PM 527 Views
Maybe I watch to much CNN - 24/08/2012 07:30:23 PM 471 Views
Yeah, I'm curious about that last point as well. - 24/08/2012 02:53:43 AM 545 Views
McCaskills campaign ran ads during the GOP primary calling Akin the "most conservative" candidate. - 24/08/2012 03:33:18 AM 701 Views
Interesting. - 24/08/2012 04:49:51 AM 485 Views
no it isn't kinda true - 24/08/2012 12:50:53 PM 466 Views

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