Unless she slept through the whole thing, she was in a position to consent. If someone wakes up to heavy petting a few hours after consensual sex and does not say, "stop," consent is heavily implied because previously given and very easily withdrawn.
So it isn't rape if the rapist what? Doesn't take too long? stops after 5 minutes to ask the victim if they're okay with it?
And since when were we just talking about heavy petting? He was having sex with her when she woke up - that is the accusation.
This idea of your's that consent is implied is utter nonsense - if you go to sleep is is pretty obvious that it is over.
It is not rape if someone who had sex a few hours ago can, but does not, say, "no," to more. If asleep during sex she could say nothing, so that would be rape.
If someone performed them on me and I never told them to stop I would not blame them for my "refused refusal." We are not talking about a random sex act out of the blue, but someone who (supposedly) already agreed to sex withdrawing consent. Once consent is formally given expecting it be formally withdrawn is reasonable.
she consented to have sex with him, not become a blow up doll for him to use when he felt like it. Are you some crazy 1970s stereotype?
No. Obviously a person must be awake before sex, as such, or it is rape, regardless of previous events. If, however, they are awake and previously consented, it is not rape unless they withdraw that consent. I was not there and doubt you were, so all we can take for granted is what those who were agree happened. If that includes sex while she was still asleep, Assange is lucky he did not end up like John Wayne Bobbit. Otherwise, presumption of innocence includes rape accusations.
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Rape - British left wing politician takes on American right wing politician in stupidest comment off
- 22/08/2012 11:03:50 PM
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Galloway - I'll always remember him for being a Cat to be honest.
- 22/08/2012 11:14:58 PM
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That is second on my list of things I remember about him, probably down to third now.
- 22/08/2012 11:21:17 PM
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People who support abortion only for rape are the most retarded in the whole debate
- 23/08/2012 01:05:17 AM
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Bullshit
- 23/08/2012 05:01:24 AM
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That's an interesting variation with some legitimacy, though not compelling, to me anyway
- 23/08/2012 07:25:50 AM
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That is a dangerous line of logic.
- 23/08/2012 09:26:25 PM
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Okay, that really wasn't connected to my comments
- 24/08/2012 02:39:21 AM
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Sure it was, but we can do it your way.
- 24/08/2012 04:10:37 AM
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Yet you don't, you jump the gun here too
- 24/08/2012 04:37:02 AM
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I was trying to cut to the chase; like I say, I followed your logic: I just disliked where it led.
- 24/08/2012 06:10:40 AM
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Disliking the conclusion doesn't invalidate the logic, and stop veering out of the debate boundary
- 24/08/2012 06:43:43 AM
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No, the logics invalidity does that, though you do not seem to like its conclusion either.
- 24/08/2012 07:48:21 AM
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I'm not even sure what that means
- 25/08/2012 12:38:56 AM
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The logic is invalid because invalid, however either of us feels about where it leads.
- 25/08/2012 10:37:34 PM
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Okay, we're done here
- 26/08/2012 05:36:28 AM
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Quotes are not my opinion.
- 26/08/2012 06:37:19 AM
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You'd really benefit from post-secondary education.
- 26/08/2012 12:14:02 PM
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Further post-secondary education, you mean; probably so, though not for the reasons you stated.
- 26/08/2012 08:20:45 PM
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Haven't you and Joel had about the same amount of post-secondary education, actually?
- 27/08/2012 01:31:43 AM
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It has nothing to do with consequences or responsibility. It's about life & privacy. Period
- 23/08/2012 12:04:55 PM
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To be honest, I think people MIGHT be overreacting to both comments.
- 23/08/2012 01:33:54 AM
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Really? *NM*
- 23/08/2012 06:33:46 AM
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Yeah.
- 23/08/2012 06:40:05 AM
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I expect it is more of a "stating the obvious" response.
- 23/08/2012 02:01:18 PM
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Heh, I didn't think so.
- 23/08/2012 05:44:55 PM
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I said Akins comments needed MORE context.
- 23/08/2012 08:50:09 PM
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Yes, I saw that.
- 23/08/2012 10:28:50 PM
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Re: Yes, I saw that.
- 23/08/2012 11:04:40 PM
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Re: Yes, I saw that.
- 23/08/2012 11:08:46 PM
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Science sometimes produces shocking discoveries.
- 23/08/2012 11:28:47 PM
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And sometimes one doctor with an agenda pulls "facts" out of the air
- 23/08/2012 11:37:37 PM
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This
- 23/08/2012 08:50:43 PM
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Eh
- 23/08/2012 10:37:15 PM
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I read it the same way Jen did
- 23/08/2012 08:49:16 PM
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Why?
- 23/08/2012 08:51:59 PM
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See your reply here - the bit before the comma then the bit after it.
- 23/08/2012 09:06:20 PM
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You can see where there's room for doubt in that though, surely.
- 23/08/2012 09:20:19 PM
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I accept there are exceptions under some circumstances - but they are exceptions, not the rule.
- 23/08/2012 09:44:36 PM
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Well, I have to clarify...
- 23/08/2012 10:28:13 PM
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Re: Well, I have to clarify...
- 23/08/2012 10:50:59 PM
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- 23/08/2012 11:15:50 PM
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- 23/08/2012 11:28:56 PM
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couple things
- 24/08/2012 01:57:04 AM
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Re: couple things
- 24/08/2012 02:26:23 PM
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You may be talking about Galloway and not Assange, but Galloway was talking about Assange.
- 24/08/2012 06:28:00 PM
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I can
- 23/08/2012 11:05:05 PM
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OK
- 23/08/2012 09:35:35 PM
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Bullshit.
- 23/08/2012 10:00:54 PM
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Re: Bullshit.
- 23/08/2012 10:52:02 PM
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I don't know about Galloway but Akin is being made to pay for his commnets
- 23/08/2012 04:37:12 PM
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Um, I'm not sure about that last bit
- 23/08/2012 10:43:15 PM
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this issue has been discussed none stop for two days and this almost never mentioned
- 24/08/2012 12:28:25 PM
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Yeah, I'm curious about that last point as well.
- 24/08/2012 02:53:43 AM
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McCaskills campaign ran ads during the GOP primary calling Akin the "most conservative" candidate.
- 24/08/2012 03:33:18 AM
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Interesting.
- 24/08/2012 04:49:51 AM
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Yeah, that about covers it; personally, I am developing a grudging respect for Akin.
- 24/08/2012 06:30:43 AM
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no it isn't kinda true
- 24/08/2012 12:50:53 PM
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The MO GOP voters who nominated him for being "most conservative" think it is.
- 25/08/2012 10:52:02 PM
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